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A rough day yesterday, tearing hair out trying to get a starter for ten on a branch of my tree.

I have a Henry or John Henry CONSTABLE probably of Croydon, married 1902 to Ellen Parker. Asuuming he was 22ish when married he would be born circa 1880.

Please could someonetake a look to see if they can locate him and his family whoever they may be on the 1901 census.

I am reliably informed he died early WWII. I am looking for his date of death also.

All help appreciated.

Best Wishes,
Derek

For those doing a look up for Derek please be aware I have searched the death indexes during the wartime period 1939-1945 and given details for a death of a John H Constable in 1943 aged 54 and for a Henry Constable in 1944 aged 81 both in Croydon.

I have also advised that the John H aged 54 - that his age may have been given wrongly by the informant of the death.

Derek - it might be helpful for you to order Ellen's death cert from 1965 and work backwards from there?

Hi Alexandra, I have ordered Ellen's death certificate as well as the 1902 marriage certificate this morning. What is likelyhood of that age 54 being wrong in the listings?

Well the informant of the death would give the age - and sometimes they got it wrong. Imagine if his wife wasn't the informant and someone guessed his age?

How sure are you that he died in Croydon?

Could this be him 1891?

John Constable
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Constable 5
Charles Constable 32
Charles Constable 13
Edith Constable 9
Elizabeth Constable 3
Hannah Constable 32
John Constable 12
Lily Constable 1


Juliet

Not 100%. The only living relative said yesterday that the family were fragmented and were always at war with each other! He has little to go on but did say they were from the Croydon area of Surrey.

as far as the age goes had it stated 64 I could have gone with that ..... I might just order up the death certificate just to see!

Someone on one of these threads has stated there is a 'CONSTABLE in Surrey website'. Although at work I am furiously searching for this site ....... See what it has on it!

Don't think so Juliet, the name I was initially given was 'Henry' but that has widened to 'John Henry'. My relation did say he was known as Henry.

Although i'm up for all ideas at this stage!

Understood, but name on marriage details states John Henry. Maybe it was only later that he decided to call himself Henry.

Juliet

Ok found him on 1901 same family but listed as Henry.

Henry Constable
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 348
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Constable 16
Charles Constable 44
Charles Constable 23
Edith Constable 18
Elizabeth Constable 12
Hannah Constable 42
Henry Constable 22
John Constable 4
Lily Constable 11
Maud Constable 8


Juliet

Looking at the listing he was a painter and decorator as was his father. Presumably he became known as Henry when younger John was born. Just a thought.

Juliet

Would his trade be listed at all Juliet? My cousin said he was a Carpenter but could turn his hands to most crafty things - Even built my cousin a rocking horse!

Does sound like him doesn't it.

The trades are listed on the original images. I should imagine that carpentry was a natural extension to decorating. Don't forget he was only 22 in an ever changing world at that time.

Juliet

Have to go out now but hope I've given you something to work on. If he died in the war he should be listed on the War Graves Commission site. I've been trying to get on but it appears to be down at present. Good Luck - I'll check back later.

Juliet

A big thank you Alexandra and Juliet, most helpful and appreciated.

By the way, I looked on the Commonwealth Wargreaves Commission site last night, nothing doing there to Henry/John Henry

Well as you said yesterday Derek he was too old to be a serving member of the armed forces during WWII and we did look on the CWGC yesterday and found no likely suspects.

It is entirely possible that the death in 1943 might be 64 rather than 54! I noticed that the number looked almost handwritten - so peering with the magnifying tool I can see it is a 6 and not a 5 but that part of it is worn away!!

There you have it!

I agree with Alexandra. It is definitely 64, there is a break in the 6 which makes it look like 5 but on closer inspection it is a 6. This would agree with the date of birth being 1879 as in the previous listings.

I also checked the service records for WW1 but nothing found.

Juliet

Well, with your help I am now on my way with this. Without your help I would have been floundering!

I don't know how long it will be before the certificates come, but in the mean time I can go forward (OR backward ......) from here.

A big thank you to you both, very much appreciated.

Best Wishes,
Derek
PS Did you get the BMD info from Ancestry? I am considering taking out an annual subscription to this site.

I have an Ancestry sub and it has proved invaluable. You just have to have patience. Best of luck.

Juliet