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I am looking for marriage of Alfred King to Emily Doy.
I know they were both born in Norfolk and their first child born 1887 in Clapham London so have no idea what county they were married. I have been looking for a good year. Have birth certificate of child that states mother Emily King formely Doy so am sure they were married.unable to find anything on Doy only her death in 1948 in Guildford Surrey she was around 84yrs.
If i can find her marriage i may be able to go back further.
Regards Dorothy

The statement on the birth cert does not prove that they were married.........they could have lied.

Reg

Do you have Emily on the 1881 census?

For ref only....is this the family in 1891?

Name: Emily King
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Gressenhall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Clapham
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred King 28
Emily King 28
Emily M King 3
Nellie King 6 months

Reg

1881 England Census
about Emily Carter
Name: Emily Carter
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Gressenhall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Whissonsett
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: General Serv

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: North Elmham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:

Name Age
Emily Carter 18
Maria E. Lubbock 16
Francis W. Martin 1
Harriet J. Martin 24
Walter Martin 34



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1982; Folio: 119; Page: 19; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341477.


1881 England Census
about Emily Hewitt
Name: Emily Hewitt
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Gressenhall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Gressenhall
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: Fairstead
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: East Dereham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Clarke 50
John Clarke 39
Emily Hewitt 13
Harry Hewitt 15
William Hewitt 1


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1980; Folio: 58; Page: 13; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341476.

Only two Emily's born around that time in Gressenhall in 1881.

Emily Hewitt is unmarried in 1891

For reference also

1901 England Census
about Emily King
Name: Emily King
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Gremall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members:
Name Age

Albert V King 10 months
Alfred King 37
Alfred King 7
Bessie King 9
Clara King 2
Emily King 37
Emily M King 14
Nellie King 11


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 442; Folio: 17; Page: 25.

I found this on freereg:

County Norfolk
Place Gressenhall
Church St Mary The Virgin
RegisterNumber 241
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 12 Mar 1864
Forename Emily
Sex F
FatherForename
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname
MotherSurname DOY
Abode Gressenhall
FatherOccupation
Notes Illegitimate. William CARTER The Reputed Father Husbandman

Hi Reggie.
Many thanks to your reply. I am sure you are right she could have lied. I will carry on regardless and see if i can find Emily.
Regards Dorothy

Hi Alexandra.
After all this time i think you haved nailed it for me.
Iknow this is the correct one as i do recall being told her name was Carter to much of a coincidence.
Would they be able to produce a copy of birth cert with reg number and baptism date.
Thank you so much. Dorothy

May Doy & William Carter marriage:
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Carter William Mitford 4b 729
Doy Mary Mitford 4b 729

Can't find a birth for Emily Doy but there is this for Emily Carter:
Births Dec 1863 (>99%)
CARTER Emily Swaffham 4b 375

Potty - Mitford district covered Gressenhall - so I dont think the Swaffam one is her.

And Dorothy a birth cert would not give a baptism date - but the baptism I found shows the date.

It may be that due to her illegitimacy her birth was not registered. I have several cases in my family where a child was born out of wedlock and not registered - even one who died aged 6 months - found the death but her birth was not registered as she was illegitimate.

These are all the births for an Emily in Mitford district between 1863 and 1864 - none for Doy or Carter.

Births Mar 1863
BRUMWELL Emily Ann Mitford 4b 292
BRUMWELL Emily Anna Mitford 4b 292
GREENWOOD Emily Mitford 4b 283
LUBBUCK Emily Martha Mitford 4b 303
PATTERSON Emily Maria Mitford 4b 288
SOUTHGATE Emily Elizabeth Mitford 4b 285

Births Jun 1863
EMMS Emily Elizabeth Mitford 4b 270
MILSOM Emily Mitford 4b 728

Births Sep 1863
CALABY Emily Mitford 4b 268
CODLING Emily Louisa Mitford 4b 265
PILCH Emily Mitford 4b 259
STIMPSON Emily Clayton Mitford 4b 262
WIGG Emily Marian Mitford 4b 259

Births Dec 1863
BURWOOD Emily Mitford 4b 672
Pearce Emily Mary Mitford 4b 277

Births Mar 1864
MICHELBURGE EMILY Mitford 4b 307

Births Jun 1864
CHAMBERS Emily Mitford 4b 276
CONE Emily Mitford 4b 724
DYE Emily Mitford 4b 287
HOWARD Emily Jane Mitford 4b 289
MALLETT Emily Ann Mitford 4b 281
ROSE Emily Mitford 4b 268
WATSON Emily Jane Mitford 4b 280

Births Sep 1864
GASKIN Emily Mitford 4b 260

Births Dec 1864
Brunton Emily Mitford 4b 276
Cockett Emily Mitford 4b 269
Osborne Emily Mitford 4b 263

Hi Alexandra.
After all this time i think you haved nailed it for me.
Iknow this is the correct one as i do recall being told her name was Carter to much of a coincidence.
Would they be able to produce a copy of birth cert with reg number and baptism date.
Thank you so much. Dorothy

Dorothy

I have answered that question already - the birth certificate would not have the baptism date - but the baptism I have found for you - has the baptism date.

I have put on here all the births for girls called Emily in the district that covers Gressenhall - which is Mitford between 1863 and 1864 and there are no entries for Doy or Carter - the one Potty found in Swaffam I dont think is right because it is not the right district.

It is entirely possible that her birth was never registered as she was illegitimate. Birth registration was not compulsory until 1875 so I would imagine that her birth was never registered.

I am currently looking at all the 1871 images for the village of Gressenhall and the Union Workhouse and so far cannot find William Carter and his wife Mary and their daughter Emily. It may be that there is a section missing as it goes from district 6 to district 8 - so it might explain why I cant find them then.

I would suggest that you order the marriage certificate of Mary Doy and William Carter to get further back with them.

It could be Soph - I did wonder about that.

Of course if Dorothy wants to she could contact the local registry office that covers Mitford and ask them to check the birth cert to see if it says she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Doy/Dye from Gressenhall.

Dorothy - if you want to do this you should write to the Superintendant Registrar with a cheque for £7 to cover the certificate including a self addressed stamped envelope for them to send the cert to you with - and explain what you are looking for and ask them to only send the cert if it matches what you are after - if it doesn't they will just send your cheque back.

http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/consumption/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&ssDocName=NCC006792

Hi Soph.
Ihave already got birth cert for Emily Dye and they are not the same person but thank you for your time .
Regards Dorothy

Thank you Alexander you have been so helpful also everyone who has answered and i will certainly get in touch with registrar
Dorothy

Dorothy - if you already have that birth cert for that Emily Dye then no need to ask them about that one obviously - but in case the birth registration was not passed onto the GRO you could ask them if they have it in their own records - but I wouldn't be too optimistic.

I think you will probably find that her birth was never registered at all.