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Hi,
Please can you help me?
My husband's grandfather was called Joshua Whalley born circa (1875) he was from Newcastle Staffs. He married twice: I don't know the name of his 1st wife but his second was Matilda Toft, she also had children from her 1st marriage. The only Matilda Toft I can find isn't her so Toft must have been her married name. I don't know where to start! Joshua did live at 16, Lawson Terrace, Newcastle in 1909 according to my husbands Dad's birth certificate.

so was matilda toft your FIL mother

Do you have his marriage cert to his second wife Matilda? It should say whether she was single or a widow previously.

If Joshua was married before, and had children from that marraige, one of the children's birth cert would give her name including her maiden name

joshua married matilda in 1894 he must have been very young when he married previously.

richard.

Can you find them in the 1901 Census?

Here's Joshua's marriage to Matilda Toft.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Joshua Whalley
Name: Joshua Whalley
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stoke Upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 392

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Mary Ann Clifton 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire
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Matthew Henry Higginnon 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire
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Matthew Henry Higginson 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire
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Matilda Toft 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire
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Joshua Whalley 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire

Could this be Joshua's first marriage?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Joshua Whalley
Name: Joshua Whalley
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wolstanton
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 228


Mary Bannan 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Wolstanton Staffordshire
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Patrick Kirwin 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Wolstanton Staffordshire
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Ellen Symonds 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Wolstanton Staffordshire
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Joshua Whalley 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Wolstanton Staffordshire

1901 England Census
about Matilda Walley
Name: Matilda Walley
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joshua
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Penkhull St Thomas
Town: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub registration district: Stoke upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Walley 39
Matilda Walley 29
Ralph A Walley 15
May E Walley 14
Joshua Walley 4
Edith M Walley 3
Reginald Walley 1


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Joshua whalley mar q1862 wolstanton vol 6b page 76

richard.

According to the 1901 census your Joshua (mistranscribed Walley) was born 1862, Wolstanton, Staffs.
Matilda was born 1872, Hanley, Staffs.

There is this marriage?


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Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Conway James George Holborn 1b 1088
SMITH Matilda Holborn 1b 1088
Toft John Thomas Holborn 1b 1088
Turner Catherine Holborn 1b 1088

1891

Name: Joshua Whalley
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Knutton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Knutton St Mary
Town: Knutton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza S Whalley 33 - SISTER - Housekeeper
Joshua Whalley 29
Mary E Whalley 4
Ralph D Whalley 5

You should consider getting a copy of Matilda Whalley's death certificate for the name of of her father or the marriage certificate to find out her maiden name.

Joan

1891 England Census
about Joshua Whalley
Name: Joshua Whalley
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Knutton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Knutton St Mary
Town: Knutton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza S Whalley 33
Joshua Whalley 29
Mary E Whalley 4
Ralph D Whalley 5


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Possible first marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Bannan Mary Wolstanton 6b 228
KIRWIN Patrick Wolstanton 6b 228
Symonds Ellen Wolstanton 6b 228
Whalley Joshua Wolstanton 6b 228

Matilda Toft was single in 1891, age 19, born Hanley, daughter of Matida Toft, widow.

Are you sure that Matilda was married before?

1891 England Census
about Matilda Toft
Name: Matilda Toft
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Tinkers Clough, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tyldesley With Shakerley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Tyldesley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
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Household Members: Name Age
Annie Toft 10
David Toft 48
John Toft 8
Louis Toft 12
Mary A Toft 47
Matilda Toft 20

1891 England Census
about Matilda Toft
Name: Matilda Toft
[Matilda Billington]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: Matilda
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
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Household Members: Name Age
Emma Billington 3/12
James Billington 30
Maud Billington 2
Matilda James 22
Agnes Toft 30
Arthur Toft 26
Edith Toft 16
Harry Toft 15
Jane Toft 26
Matilda Toft 52
Matilda Toft 19

I wonder if Josh's first marriage was to Ellen (previous post) and this was her death?

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
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WHALLEY Ellen 26 Wolstanton 6b 64

Jane Toft on the 1891 census is actually Jane Billington, wife of James. She is the daughter of Matilda Toft (age 52, Head, grocer). It appears that Matilda is her maiden name.

Joan