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I have a copy of my Great Grandfathers Birth Certificate and from that I got hold of a copy of his parents Marriage certificate. Now my problem is, it names my GGGrandfather as Thomas Molloy (deceased) bricklayer ( no mention of his Mother, as in the Scottish Marriage certificate). How do I go about finding out:
1: when and where he was born.
2: when he died. I know it was pre 1898 according to sons Marriage Cert.
3: when and who he married.
4: if there were any siblings.
It has taken me about 5 years to get this far just through searching the census and BMD indexes online. I am not in UK where I could just go and spend a day or 2 searching. I am very frustrated.
Any help at all would be very appreciated.
Thank you
Shona (down under)

You really need to find your gg grandfather on a census with his parents before you will know where and when Thomas was born.

What was your gg grandfather name and when / where did he marry? When was he born?

Sam x

Are we confused with too many or too few Greats???

Not sure if we are looking for G Grandfather or GG Grandfather.

If you have the marriage cert for G Grandfathers parents(as you stated) there must be the name of his mother on it.

Can you give the name of the person who married in 1898 who he married and where.

Mary

Hello Sam,
I have added a Topic in Trying to find under the Surname Molloy this has in it all the information that I have.
Cheers Shona.

Hello Mary.
31/10/1898 District Chorlton Counties of Manchester and Lancaster.
marriage between:
Edward Molloy and Martha Annie Roberts They were married in a Registry Office is that why there is no mothers name on it. only Edward's and Martha's fathers and their occupations. Both are down as Deceased.
My father is Eric
grandfather, Ernest
ggrandfather, Edward
gggrandfather, Thomas.
I hope I haven't confused you as I seem to be getting confused as you say to many GGG'S
Thanks Shona

hi who were the witnesses at Edward's marriage?

Hi Val,
The marriage was at the registry office District Chorlton Counties Manchester and Lancaster in the Presence of James Bailey and Lizzie Dawson would these be the witnesses. is a registry office cert different to a Church Marriage cert?
Cheers Shona

Hi Shona,

On a marriage cert for England and Wales, only the father's name is mentioned on the cert. It makes no difference whether it is a church or registry office.

How old is Edward at his marriage in 1898?

With an approx age for him, we can then look in census records and hopefully find him with his father, Thomas and his mother and any siblings. Hopefully, we can then get back further and find Thomas with his parents possibly.

Helen x

Hi Helen,
Edward was 36 when he got married.
Cheers Shona

when/where was Ernest born
how old was Martha on the marriage cert? and her fathers details
we may find her on an early census to match it with one in 1901

Hi Janice,
Ernest was born 1/5/1902, Chorlton upon Medlock County of Manchester.
Martha Annie Molloy (nee Roberts) was 25 when she married Edward who was 36.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Shona.

do you have a name for her father?

Yes, Her father's name was Edward Roberts (deceased at the time of their Marriage) as was Esward's Father Thomas.
I Have addresses for them at the time of their marriage if that is any help.
Edward: 6 Hester Street, Greenk(h)eys
Martha: 5 Copinger Street
Greenk(h)eys I am assuming that is in the District of Chorlton where they were Married.
Thanks Shona

1901 have you seen this one?
Name: Edward Molloy
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Albans
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

ED, institution, or vessel: His Majestys Prison

this is the couple at Hester st by 1901
Name: James Hutton
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lillian
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Greenheys St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Name: Lillian Hutton
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Greenheys St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire

Haven't had any luck with earlier census years yet

Hello Janice,
Thanks for trying, I did come across the one for Edward Molloy His Majestys Prison, how would I be able to find out if that was my Edward? What Month was the census taken in 1901?
Thanks Shona

Details from 1901 image sys he is married and a bricklayer!

copy of 1901
infoThe 1901 Census for England was taken on the night of 31 March 1901. The following information was requested: Name of street, avenue road, etc.; house number or name; whether or not the house was inhabited; number of rooms occupied if less than five; name of each person that had spent the night in that household; relationship of person enumerated to the head of the family; each person's marital status; age at last birthday (sex is indicated by which column the age is recorded in); each person's occupation; whether they are employer or employee or neither; person's place of birth; whether deaf, dumb, blind, or lunatic.

This site might be worth a look.You may be able to find something on there about prisons or be able to contact someone for info
ttp://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/

Hi Janice thanks for that info.

there is also this one
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/
(MANCHESTER & LANCASHIRE
FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY)