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Hi Joan

Yes I do see your point. She gave her status as widowed to cover up in 1851 and 1861. I also believe that Emma is my 4xgreat grandmother.

She could have used any name, yes, so I might have to look into that.

Obey is not a common surname. David Obey was one of the very few Obey's in London in the 1840s.

Reason is because her parents are my supposed 4xgreat grandparents but they could be my 5xgreat grandparents as my 3xgreat gran Clara Emma Auber was born in December 1835, and baptised as daughter of John & Elizabeth Auber, Emma's parents. But, Elizabeth would have been 51. Not impossible but she had her previous child in 1827.

I am wondering if Clara was Emma's first child, as both her and Emma are missing in 1841. I do wonder if they were together as I cannot locate Clara either who'd have been 5. Clara's middle name of Emma is a bit of a hint as well wouldnt you agree? I should have mentioned this before but wonder if Clara was a firstborn. What are your thoughts Joan?

Ben

Ben, boy Emma definitely took it to the extremes in burying the fact. If David Obey was the father (carpenter), then she used his surname as her maiden name and used a fake first name and her actual maiden name as the father's--brilliant!

I would try and obtain copies of the children's marriage and/or death records just to see what was stated on records later in life--did they ever know the truth?

If Emma was trying to hide the fact she could have used any name on the census in 1841.

Good luck!

Joan

Looks like Matilda may have married Albert Smith

1871 England Census
about Matilda Smith
Name: Matilda Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Albert
Gender: Female
Where born: Westcott Barton, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Steeple Barton
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodstock
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Woodstock
Sub registration district: Deddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Smith 23
Eva Smith 3
Matilda Smith 22

Hi Joan

I cannot find such a marriage and Emma Auber definately registered the death of Elizabeth Auber in 1858. Elizabeth never had a son called Joseph but in the 1841 census I did find a David Obey, a carpenter in Clerkenwell yet Emma gave her maiden name as Obey and said that Joseph Auber was a carpenter. It was to cover up an illegitimate child I think. There are no deaths for Joseph Auber at all. Thanks for looking in 1841. Yes maybe they are under a misspelt surname.

I wonder if David Obey was the father.

Ben

Births Sep 1850 (>99%)
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Auber Matilda Shoreditch 2 430


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Matilda Auber
Name: Matilda Auber
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 704

Record
Matilda Auber 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex
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George Hawkett 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex
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Albert Thomas Smith 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Clerkenwell Middlesex

Ben, is it possible that you do not have the correct Emma. If Edwin's birth states that his mother's maiden name was Obey, then it's possible that Emma married into the Auber family. Why would she give a different maiden name if she wasn't married.

Joan

Here's the marriage record for Edwin and Caroline Williamson

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Edwin Auber
Name: Edwin Auber
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 243

Ben, I can't find Emma or Edwin on the 1841 census. If it's there, it's under a misspelled last name and that's why it's not coming up. Perhaps you should obtain a copy of Edwin's marriage certificate to see what is stated on the record 20+ years later. It may or may not give you a clue.

Nothing came up for Obey either.

Joan

Is this Emma's birth record?

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EMMA AUBER Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 03 MAY 1813

Christening: 21 JAN 1816 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN AUBER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Sorry correction. Having just checked the cert it says Emma Auber formely Obey not Oxley sorry. Brain is getting overloaded.

The birth was registered in October 1840, so 8 months before the 1841 census.

Emma did lie of the birth certs. She said that the father was Joseph Auber a carpenter.

Edwins sep 1840 birth cert says Emma's maiden name was Oxley. She was baptised Emma Auber only. I would have thought she would be easier to find in 1841 if she had a son.

This may be the first son Edwin and his family now in 1871.

1871 England Census
about Edwin Aubera
Name: Edwin Aubera
[Edwin Auber]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Aubera 6
Caroline Aubera 27
Edwin Aubera 30
George Aubera 11

So, where did the name Oxley come in?

Joan

Do you kjnow if Emma went by another name such as a middle name?

Okay, who is George?? Is that Edwin Gore? It states in the 1861 census that she is widowed still.

1861 England Census
about Edwin Auber
Name: Edwin Auber
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Hornton

Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St Luke
Sub registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Auber 20
Emma Auber 46
George Auber 17
Matilda Auber 10

I think Auber is her maiden name as she regieterd her mum's death in 1858. She was Elizabeth Auber and she had a daughter Emma in 1813.

I dont think Emma ever married. That is why it is crucial to find her in 1841.

Ben,

I'm a little confused...is Auber her maiden name or was she indeed married. Why two sons' names as Edwin?

Joan

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Matilda Auber
Name: Matilda Auber
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 2
Page: 430

Hi Joan

Thanks. I wonder if she lied in 1851 about her widowhood.

Edwins birth was mistranscribed as Anba in 1840 but the cert is him as the birth cert info fits.

In 1841 she must have been in around the Hoxton or Clerkenwell area, but where I wonder????

Ben

Found this birth record for the 2nd child Edwin Gore or Gore Edwin.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Edwin Gore Auber
Name: Edwin Gore Auber
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 112