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Please can somebody help me solve the mystery of Ormaond Delve Hawkes.
He appears on the 1841 Census along with Benjamin John, Thomas and William. The parents James and Hannah appear on a different record. I think this has been transcribed incorrectly.
I don't know Hannah's name but it may be that her surname was Delve?
A Hannah married a John Delve earlier.
I believe that William may also have been a delve as he appears in 1861 as William Delos (Delve) as James' Son-in-Law.
I also think that John Hawkes from 1841 was a Delve Hawkes too.
Ormond Delve Hawkes disappears after 1841, I cannot find any other record of him. I also cannot find William in 1851.
Is their anyone out there with more experience to help me unravel the mystery?

Thanks

Any connection?? Image is faint

1871 England Census
about Ormond K Delue
Name: Ormond K Delue
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John Wapping
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah M Churchill 16
Charlotte Delue 38
Charlotte Delue 5
Hannah Delue 8
Ormond K Delue 45
Catherine Drane 64 (Says mother, but should be mother in law. see 1856 marriage below)


Andy

On the image on ancestry, parents and boys are all at the same address.

Only father James is noted as born in county (ie, Surrey), all others not born in county. Bearing this in kind, and looking at the difference in ages of James and hannah ..... ti may be that none of the boys are actually James' children


1841 census

Name: Ormond Delve Hawkes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub registration district: Leather Market
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Hawkes 5 b.ca 1836
Hannah Hawkes b.ca 1801
James Hawkes b.ca 1811, Tailor
John Hawkes 11 b.ca 1830
Ormond Delve Hawkes 15
Thomas Hawkes 7 b.ca 1834
William Hawkes 13 b.ca 1828

Address:- Richardson Street



sylvia

1841 for ref (James and Hannah are shown as the same household) Only James shown as born in county.
Ormond Delve Hawkes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub registration district: Leather Market
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Hawkes 5
John Hawkes 11
Ormond Delve Hawkes 15
Thomas Hawkes 7
William Hawkes 13

The dittoes under the surnames are a bit ambiguous but I think you are right about William and John being Deve Hawkes. Hannah is shown as 10 years older than James so possibly had been married before and the 3 elder children were from that marriage.

Have you looked for a death for Ormond?

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from www.familysearch.org .... the mormon site

An extracted record



ORMOND REDHEAD DELVE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN DELVE Family
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

P001582 1801 - 1856 0254552-0254560 Film 0820927 Film

P001582 1801 - 1856 0254552-0254560 Film 0820928 Film



sylvia

from same site

parents John Delve and Hannah


International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 8
Select records to download - (50 maximum)

1. HENRY WILLIAM DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 OCT 1819
Christening: 24 JAN 1820 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England


2. JOHN ROBERT DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 NOV 1817
Christening: 21 DEC 1817 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England


3. JOHN JAMES DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 NOV 1829 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England


4. WILLIAM JAMES DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England


5. HANNAH MARIA DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England


6. ORMOND REDHEAD DELVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England



sylvia

Potty - I have looked for a death and have been unable to find one.
Sylvia - that is where I git the idea that Hannah was married previously to John Delve.

I am still stuck and the mystery is just so frustrating as the Thomas (his brother) is my GGGrandfather.

This must be a relative, nephew perhaps (Emma is a widow):
1881 England Census
about Ormond J.H. Delve
Name: Ormond J.H. Delve
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emma L.
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 22 Elim St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma L. Delve 37
Emma M. Delve 11
John R. Delve 1
Ormond J.H. Delve 8

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
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Delve Ormond Reahead Hackney 1b 445
Drane Charlotte Hackney 1b 445


Andy

sylvia
Nos 3 4 & 6 could be my Ormond, William & John. Maybe Hannah, Henry & John Robert were not with them in 1841? I suppose I will never know without more digging and help
Thanks

On the 1871 Census that Andrew found

the image looks like Ormond R Delve

He's a Coffee Shop Keeper.

Sarah M Churchill 16 Cousin, Assistant in Coffee Shop
Charlotte Delue 38
Charlotte Delue 5
Hannah Delue 8
Ormond K Delue 45
Catherine Drane 64 Mother, Widow



sylvia

Would you all with your experience think that Ormond Reahead Delve is my Ormond?
And that perhaps William & John were sons of Hannah from a previous marriage?
I suppose if I could find Hannah & James' marriage it may help.

Ormonds's marriage - so Catherine Drane should be shown as Mother in law in 1871:
Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)

Delve Ormond Reahead Hackney 1b 445
Drane Charlotte Hackney 1b 445

from www.freebmd.org


Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%)

DELVE Ormond Redhead 47 St. Geo. East 1c 308



sylvia

???? yours

1861 Census

Name: John Jas Delve
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizh
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Elizh Delve 29 b.c Islington, Middlesex, Umbrella & Parasol Maker
John Jas Delve 31 Rug Maker

Address:- 73 Long Lane (looks like a tenement)



sylvia

and 1871 Census

Name: Jno James Debro
[Jno James Delve]
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Debro 39 Umbrella Maker
Jno James Debro 41 Hearth Rug Weaver


sylvia

1871 Census

Name: William Delve
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Household schedule number: 284
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Delve 26 b.ca 1845, Bermondsey
Emma Delve 1
William Delve 43 carman
William Delve 3

Address:- 17 Minto Street



sylvia

Your Thomas's birth:

THOS JAMES WARR HAWKES Pedigree
Christening: 20 APR 1834 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

Parents:
Father: JAMES HAWKES Family
Mother: HANNAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.

And Benjamin's (how frustrating - just too early for civil registration)

BENJN. JOSEPH HAWKES Pedigree
Christening: 19 MAR 1837 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

Parents:
Father: JAMES HAWKES Family
Mother: HANNAH

Thank you all so much. Maybe I will make more sense of things now. Thank you once again