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Thank you to everybody for their help in trying to find Horace.

I just hope one day i'll find where he his.

Thank you again everybody for your support.

Heidi

Hi. My name Ethel. Too many fingers and not enough thumbs. Ethel.

Hi Heidi.
Births.
Henry Nicholas. 1880 Jan/March Qtr. reg in Sheffield. vol 9c 427
Frank. 1883. Oct/Dec Qtr. reg in Sheffield. vol 9c 441
Louisa Maud. 18999 July/Sept. Qtr. reg in Sheff. vol 9c 477
Samuel 1890 July/Sept. Qtr. reg in Sheff. vol 9c 558
Horace. 1891. Oct/Dec Qtr Reg in Sheff. vol 9c 496.

Marriage of Thomas to Jane CAREY. 1877 April/June Qtr. reg in Sheffield. vol 9c 540.

Hope this helps. EDthel.

Janice i never thought of that. Thank you so much for your help, Its just been so difficult in finding him, but a new theory to check out.

Thanks again Heidi xx

1881 tHOMAS NOT THERE
Name: Henry Nichols Hurst
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffd, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 22 Dunfields
Name: Jane Hurst
[Jane Carey]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thos.
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffd, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Household Members: Name Age
Thos. Carey 48 -
Mary A. Charlesworth 26 -Jane's sister
Jane Hurst 21
A.E.C. Charlesworth 8
Thos. Charlesworth 6
Henry Nichols Hurst 1
I think you perhaps need to send for the birth cert (dec 1891)to confirm his details
I wonder if Charles and Sarah are rels and they are looking after him and it was a mistake to record him as son?

His death entry states 21 Oct 1891. He died in Cardiff May 1970 Cardiff, reg as East Glamorgan. Bur i have only just found this out after getting off the phone to his grandson. So it does tie in with 1891 in Sheffield. I tried to ask more questions had he ever been on holiday to Ireland to see his maternal grandparents, but the family are under the impression that he never did as his grandfather died in Cardiff

He is so hard to find, where is he on the 1901 census???

Thanks June again for your help
Heidi x

Have you got the birth cert to confirm it is him (dec 1891)
when did he die

I have to go to bed now, will check tomorrow morning and probably give a nudge up, thank you again for all of your help.

Good night

Heidi xxx

I also checked what appears to be Jane Carey's only sibling Maryann as she married John Charlesworth, but they appear together with no-body else in the household in 1901 so he's not there.

I dont know what else to do, or where to even begin to look next, the only thing i have not checked yet are John France' s siblings as they were cousin's there were 9 children in total from Mary Hurst's two marriages, 6 i think to her first Husband Thomas France who they just dissapears and then 3 children to Joseph France the brother i believe though i have not check this yet to her first husband. So confused

But thanks again for all your help
xx

June i'd love to know where he is, im so puzzled. The only thing i can think of that i have only just found out is that Jane Hurst nee Carey her parents were born in Ireland. I looked on the 1881 census and Henry N Hurst Horace's older brother was with his mum and grandfather Thomas Carey.

I have even check that he may not be with Aunts or Uncles as i can't find him with his grandparents.

Thomas Hurst had a brother Henry Hurst and a sister Mary Hurst Mary married Thomas France and his brother Henry married Ellen who is living with her mother-in-law in 1891 was a widower, though the relatioship is listed as sister.

You have the right 1901 census, and the right birth entry for Horace France, his father John France is Thomas Hurst's Newphew, so John and Horace Hurst were 1st cousin's i think.

Thank you so much for looking and helping me, it means a lot

Heidi x

maybe the witness

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
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France Horace William Cardiff 11a 386


1901

Name: Horace William Francis
Age in 1901: 6 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Thomas
Mother's Name: Ellen Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton St John the Divine
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas Francis 24
Ellen Mary Francis 25
Horace William Francis 6 months



image reads france



1901 grandmother lives same place


Name: Louisa Hurst
Age in 1901: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton St John the Divine
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Hurst 43
Lawrence Hurst 18
Arthur Hurst 16
Harry Hurst 14
Thomas Hurst 12
Martha Hurst 65
Louisa Hurst 12


i wonder where he is ?

June x

1901

Name: Horace Hurst
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: Leicester St Mark
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: North West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Hurst 57
Ann J Hurst 28
Florence E Hurst 24
Caroline Hurst 22
Ernest Hurst 21
William Hurst 18
Horace Hurst 8
Roland Hurst 1




found this one tracked grandmother back she has son called thomas


1871

Name: Thomas Hurst
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurmaston, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Thurmaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub registration district: Syston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members: Name Age
George Hurst 29
Mary A Hurst 27
Thomas Hurst 9
Caroline Hurst 4
George Hurst 2


but thomas not file cutter in 1901

June x

Horace's sister birth entry

Name: Louisa Maud Hurst
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 477


His brother Samuel's

Name: Samuel Hurst
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 558


And brother Henry's birth entry

Name: Henry Nicholas Hurst
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 427

In 1891 Thomas is listed as a File Cutter

1891 census with all his siblings and his parents, Samuel died a year later in 1901 Louisa is in Cardiff with her grandparent, Martha and aunt Ellen




Name: Louisa M Hurst
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Neepsend St Michaels
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hurst 35
Jane Hurst 31
Henry N Hurst 11
Frank Hurst 7
Louisa M Hurst 2
Samuel Hurst 6/12

I really thought i was. Maybe i could be wrong. on the marrige cert it states that he was 28 Bachelor papermaker of 14 Orchard Place Canton Cardiff father Thomas Hurst file Cutter he married Lillian Cook in the Parish Church of Canton, Cardiff on May 1st 1920.

Witnesses Andrew T Cook and Horace W France

1901

Name: Horace Hurst
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kimberworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Handsworth Woodhouse St James
Town: Woodhouse
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hurst 51
Sarah Hurst 50
Anne Hurst 21
Francis Alice Hurst 13
Charles Hurst 11
Horace Hurst 10
William Turner 50
Joshua Mamott 36




there is only one birth and one in census are you sure about
age and name





June x

Sorry i went for a while i had to put the children to bed. Thanks Eileen for that info, have come across that but i know that his parents were definatley Thomas Hurst and Jane Carey.

June, Right birth thank you.

Heidi x

there is only one birth


Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Hurst Horace Sheffield 9c 496



June x