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I am trying to trace the Muff side of my family, my grandad was John Butterfield Muff, born 1926, he had a sister, Annie c 1924, his father was John Albert Muff 1876-1927, his mother was Emma Bradley, I think John Albert Muffs mother was Ann Muff. If anyone could let me know any further information on the Muff family I would be grateful. As a child I was always told that they were related to the people who owned Brown Muff & Co Ltd but that John Albert Muff was the black sheep of the family, if anyone is able to help me I would be so grateful.

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Jane Tyldesley

Was he from Bradford?


Alfred is the head of house and single
Ann is also single

1891 England Census
about John A Muff
Name: John A Muff
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Muff 56
Ann Muff 41
Lucy Muff 21
John A Muff 15

Christine

His birth cert will give you parents names, as he may not be the son of Ann.

Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
Muff John Alfred Bradford, Y. 9b 100

Mary A Muff is head so he is her grandson.

1881 England Census
about John A. Muff
Name: John A. Muff
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bowling
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 52 Parsonage Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A. Muff 73
Alfred Muff 46
Henry Fearne 32
Mary Fearne 35
Lucy Muff 11
John A. Muff 5
Sarah A. Fearne 3
John M. Fearne 1

Christine

from ,,freebmd,,
annie
Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Muff Annie L Devonport Oldham 8d 9v

and john

Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Muff John B Davonport Oldham 8d 1250


but that makes their mothers maiden name

davon/devonport not bradley
where did bradley come from?

vivienne

Just realised the John A that I posted is John Alfred.

Christine

easily done christine,done it myself

i cant see a marriage for davon/devonport and muff but i can see a marriage for
john albert muff

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Halkyard Mary Alice Oldham 8d 734
Muff John Albert Oldham 8d 734
Stott John Oldham 8d 734
Wrigley Sarah Oldham 8d 734

This one could be connected to the children in Oldham.

1901 England Census
about John A Muff
Name: John A Muff
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members: Name Age
John A Muff 31 occ Butcher
Sarah Muff 31
Elizabeth Bentley 18

Christine

looks like freebmd is only up to 1921 on marriages for davonport

Must have the correct family now, lol as this one's father is called John Butterfield.

1881 England Census
about John Albert Muff
Name: John Albert Muff
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Butterfield
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Huddersfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 18 Bradford Road Waggon and Horses
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub registration district: Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Butterfield Muff 40 Licensed Victualler
Mary Muff 45
Joe Edward Muff 15
John Albert Muff 12
Sarah Anne Muff 10
James Muff 74 father, occ Gentleman

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4385; Folio: 121; Page: 5; Line

I wonder if this is the marriage and Emma had been married before.


Marriages Jun 1924 (>99%)

Muff John Needham Oldham 8d 1212
NEEDHAM Emma Muff Oldham 8d 1212

Christine

was just checking quartes 1921 through 1924

no de/avenport muff marriages

but as you say christine she could have been married before
or

he was married and they werent

found two poss john muff marriages one to a needham in 1924 and one to an ingleton earlier but neither have, and or ,surnames for the bride

edit,,one of which i now realise you posted,oh dear i need to go back to class!

i would still like to know how, emma bradley, was arrived at for the mother of annie L 1924 and john butterfield muff 1926 when they are down as mothers maiden name Da/evonport on freebmd

Just checked on the death of John Albert.


Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
Muff John A 57 Oldham 8d 1313

So he was the one born 1870.

Need some input now from Jane.The family in Huddersfield can be found on all census years but will wait to see if Jane comes back.

Christine

It gets even more confusing now as checked on Lancs BMD for the marriage and it shows this.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1924

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MUFF * John NEEDHAM Emma Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/175/96
MUFF * John SEAL Emma Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/175/96

Appears that Emma was either Needham or Seal but not Bradley.

Christine

or even if you dont know how to reply on here then a pm would be nice to one of us so we could explain how to get back here for you to help with our findings?

thers this marriage but no spouse

Marriages Sep 1921 (93%)
Muff John A Ingleson Bradford 9b 271
Noble Lillian Smith Bradford 9b 271
Smith Arthur Noble Bradford 9b 271

on index

mennetta ingleson and john a muff

i think we can discount the ingleson marriage

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Muff Stella M Ingleson Bradford 9b 196

but there are no muff/needhanm births

i think this birth certificate of, john b muff ,should be obtained to clarify who his parents are or even his sister annies

Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Muff John B mmn Davonport Oldham 8d 1250

but of course that is only my personal opinion
vivienne

I agree Vivienne.

Christine

thank you christine