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Robert France mothers maiden name Howard. Robert was born 1854 has a brother called John 1858. Did they marry

There were no France-s born in Runcorn 1850-1860 per the GRO index.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Not born there, but lived there, maybe?

What is your information taken from? Censuses? Have you looked for them in the censuses as adults? Have you looked at FreeBMD for marriages?

There seems to be no one at all in the censuses that matches your info.

Perhaps if you gave their parents' actual names, someone could help. Also, perhaps, if you requested help.

Robert France 2nd marriage 1864 to Margaret Howard. They had 2 boys Robert 1854 and John 1858

They married 1864, and their children were born 1854 and 1858.

Perhaps

Births Sep 1853
Howard Robert Runcorn 8a 201

I don't know. Perhaps you would indicate where your information is taken from.

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
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France Robert Runcorn 8a 293
Howard Margaret Runcorn 8a 293



1871 they are Howards

Name: Margaret France
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Robert France 49
Margaret France 45
Robert Howard 17
John Howard 13




June x

Looks like they were Margarets children perhaps from a previous marriage

1871 census transcription details for: Windmill Street, Runcorn
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3690 Folio: 98 Page: 44

Reg. District: Runcorn Sub District: Runcorn
Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Runcorn City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Windmill Street, Runcorn
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
FRANCE, Robert Head M 49 1822 Lancashire
FRANCE, Margaret Wife F 45 1826 Cheshire
HOWARD, Robert Step-Son M 17 1854 Cheshire
HOWARD, John Step-Son M 13 1858 Cheshire

1871

Robert France 49
Margaret France 45
Robert Howard 17 - stepson
John Howard 13 - stepson

They were Margaret's children, not Robert's, and their name was Howard, not France.

1861

Name: Margaret Howard
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 201
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Howard 34
Martha Howard 8
Emma Ann Howard 7
*********Robert Howard 7
*********John Howard 4
Henry John Grice 13 Nephew
Mary Howard 38 Sister-in-law




June x

1861

Margaret Howard 34
Martha Howard 8
Emma Ann Howard 7
Robert Howard 7
John Howard 4
Henry John Grice 13 - nephew
Mary Howard 38 - sister-in-law

This could be Robert

1881 census transcription details for: Windmill Street, Runcorn
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3514 Folio: 101 Page: 46

Reg. District: Runcorn Sub District: Runcorn
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Runcorn City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Windmill Street, Runcorn
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
HOWARD, Robert Head Married M 27 1854 Chemical Lab
Runcorn
Cheshire
HOWARD, Ann Jane Wife Married F 23 1858 Wife Of Chemical Lab
Runcorn
Cheshire
HOWARD, James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Runcorn
Cheshire
HOWARD, John Son Single M 2 1879
Runcorn
Cheshire
HOWARD, Margaret A Daughter Single F 0 1881
Runcorn
Cheshire

looks like the marriage


Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Grice Margaret Runcorn 19 272
Howard James Runcorn 19 272




June x

Not having had a please so far, and others having waxed enthusiastic about pursuing the literally thankless task I had undertaken, I shall say: whatever.

I recently received a cert indicating Robert 1821-22 was found drowned in Runcorn canal in 1889 an inquest was held on same day - yet to find details of this ...

1851

Name: Margaret Grice
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Halton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
John Grice 46
Eliza Grice 50
Margaret Grice 26
Eliza Grice 21
William Grice 25
Joseph Grice 18
Emily Ann Grice 11
********Henry John Grice 3 nephew that is with her on the 1861




June x

Reading throught what everyone has helped me with is great i have updated a little on Robert Frances death as far as i know.. A great help with all your knowledge of where to look much appreciated. Thank you ever so much

Hi Mark, just a word please, when you ask for a look up please put what info you already have, so we dont waste our time looking.



June x

1881

Name: John Howard
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Frodsham Lordship
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Vicarage Lane Overton
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Commission Agent (Salt)

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Frodsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Gorst 85
Margaret Gorst 52
John Hughes 26
John Howard 24






1891

Name: John Howard
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice M
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Frodsham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Frodsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Howard 34
Alice M Howard 29
Agnes M Howard 8
Frederick J Howard 6
Alice M Howard 3
Catherine Johnson 18
Elizabeth Houghton 19





1901


Name: John Howard
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Moreton
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Frodsham
Ecclesiastical parish: Frodsham St Lawrence and Manley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Frodsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members: Name Age
John Howard 44
Alice Moreton Howard 39
Agnes Howard 18
Frederick T Howard 16
Norman Howard 4
Marjory Howard 3
Sarah Jane Smith 23 servant




Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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HOWARD John Chester 8a 662

Youd Alice Moreton Chester 8a 662



June x

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Howard Martha Runcorn 8a 196



1871


Name: Martha Howard
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Halton
Ecclesiastical parish: Runcorn Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Household Members: Name Age
James Joule 46
Anne J L Joule 47
G F S Joule 11
J W Joule 9
Martha Howard 18







Births Sep 1853 (98%)
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Howard Emily Ann Runcorn 8a 201






Emma ann on 1861



1871

Name: Emily Ann Howard
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John B Adkinson 51
Catherine Adkinson 51
Emily Ann Howard 16


June x

mark !!!!!!!!!!!!!!