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Good work, EB.

Okay ......

The fact that Phyllis gave her second name as May when she married doesn't mean it *was* May.

We had this:

Births Mar 1907
DRAPER Phyllis Marjorie Meriden 6d 442

So I decided to look for the marriage of an Eleanor Draper. This is the only one 1900 to 1920:

Marriages Jun 1914
Corser William A (Draper) Meriden 6d 1203
>> DRAPER Eleanor (CORSER) Meriden 6d 1203

Interesting coincidence.

For marriages of an Arthur B* to an Eleanor A*, we have this possible marriage:

Marriages Sep 1911
Collings Sidney M Newport M 11a 401
> Grey Eleanor A Newport M 11a 401
> Jenkins Arthur B Newport M 11a 401
Phillips Elizabeth Newport, M. 11a 401

Back to Drapers in Meriden district, unfortunately there aren't any matches for the children's names, although this one is somewhat interesting:

Births Jun 1911
Draper Ellenor A Meriden 6d 436

I wonder whether that could be Ella.

Okay. I've just done a county-by-county search of Draper births in all counties in Wales for 1905-1913, looking for clusters with the names in the list of children.

Noteworthy are:

a lot of births in Glamorgan, that don't match
a lot of births in Monmouthshire, that don't match

and apart from a scattered few others, that is it.

If you want to be really thorough, you can do that search at FreeBMD for *each registration district* in England and Wales. I might take an hour, maybe not that. Just search for births, Draper, say 1905-1915, and select the reg dist and get the results, then backpage and select the next reg dist, and so on. No district is likely to have more than 20 Draper births in the period, so it's a very quick glance for each district. (I tried West Derby, which I think would be one of the more populous districts, and it had maybe 3 dozen.)


There is something obviously missing in your family history.

Tried looking for the death of a Rom* Draper post-1984, only Roma-s.

Marriages of the other children may not yet be transcribed, but I tried searching for them. Nothing stood out as likely and not accounted for by matching births, e.g. Ella I Draper who married in 1930 has a matching birth in 1900.


Basically, there are two options.

The children were not born as Draper.
Draper may have been a stepfather's surname that they took on, if they were young when their mother remarried.
It may have been their mother's surname, if she was not married to their father.
It may have been their father's surname, with the children registered under their mother's surname but going by their father's surname, if their parents were not married (e.g. if one parent had a pre-existing marriage).
(On the unmarried-parent possibility, I also did a search for births 1905-1911 with Draper as a middle name, but again, no matches.)

or

The children were not born in England/Wales.


Let us know what you think!

Hi Robert.
Always go to your original thread if you are needing more help. Adjust the title of the original thread by adding ( help still need) or (still looking).

This helps the research and also helps others see what has already been done
It also brings your old thread back to the top of the board

The only births for Rom* Draper:

Births Dec 1913
DRAPER Roma Woolley Derby 7b 1157
Births Sep 1933
Draper Roma D M Webb Saffron W 4a 1327

Girls, of course.

All the info I have on sibling is from my dad. Except he can't remember birth dates or anything as he never had contact with his family from 1972 on.

I'm looking for birth dates so that hopefully I can find links through Genesreunited (names alone haven't connected to anyone one else's tree yet). Plus, personally I feel it'll help make the tree more complete.

My dad seems to think that his grand mothers name was Eleanor A something but he's not sure.

Rome is one of the son's names (I'm thinking it was short for Romeo or Roman, but dad said no).

A possible candidate in 1901?

Benjamin Draper 44
Sarah J Draper 44
Sidney C Draper 24
Alfred Draper 15
Clarice Draper 13
> Arthur S Draper 12
Beatrice Draper 8
Theadora E Draper 5 months


Births Jun 1889
Draper Arthur Samuel Cardiff 11a 277


If he married quite young. Father's name Benjamin, he might not have known his own middle name.

An Arthur *George* Draper married (maybe) Eleanor Emma Patterson in 1899 in Medway.

Where is "(possibly) Eleanor A" coming from?

The only entry in the GRO for Arthur Benjamin Draper:

Births Jun 1852
DRAPER Arthur Benjamin Walsall 6b 473

Back to the original question.

Where is the Children info (names and DOBs) coming from? What is "Rome" Draper? Not a name, surely. No birth for that name in the GRO.


You can't identify one of the children's births to order a birth certificate, is that the problem?

I was told no one looks at old threads, if I dont reply right away they get passed over, so that is why I started a new one. Wasn't trying to cause a problem.

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1129977&px=0

is the one Robert is referring to above.

What actually helps, Robert, is not starting new threads about something that has already been worked on, and expecting people to go fetch the information for themselves.

Posts can't be found by name. They can be found on a search for content, or gone to directly if you give the URL for them.

Here is a list of threads with the words Peter Coyne in them.

Updated Info part 2
Arthur Benjamin Draper c1880 - (possibly) Elenor A
Robert 10/03/2009 00:23:10 9

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1133516
Updated Info
Ok, I had some help from a few of you a little whi
Robert 09/03/2009 23:39:24 2

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1129977
Trying to find more of my fathers family
Hi, I've just joined up here (little over a month
Robert 26/02/2009 22:56:45 33

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1121537
Peter Coyne or Phyliis Draper
Hi everyone. I'm trying to find some info on my Fa
Robert 28/01/2009 22:02:32 2


There probably wasn't any need for any more than one thread -- that being the basis of the one thread per topic rule here.

Nobody spends all their time here so as to see every thread posted, and nobody keeps strangers' complicated family stories in their heads so as to recall them from one week to the next.

If it helps at all the original post was called "Trying to find more of my fathers family"

On the marriage certificate it is listed as May. A few people here did some searches and found a few census that listed a Phyllis Marjorie and we thought that might be correct.

So how do you know it's Phyllis May & not Phyllis Marjorie?

Yes it is. It has Arthur's profession as General Labourer

Unfortunatly that is about all I know. Phyllis May Draper is the only one that I know was born in Wales. But I don't know of the town . I would suppose that the Arthur would have been born in Wales also. As for the other children I would only be able to guess Wales also.

Did you get this info off the marriage cert? What was Arthur's occupation?

And born where? We need more information

Looking to confirm Arthur's wife's name and any ancestors (either Arthurs or his wife's)

And confirm birth dates of children if possible? and any marriages.

Thanks