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I am related to this person.
Engelbert married a Catherine Wilds
he died in Hull on 22nd January 1935.
His children-Anthony- He was a solicitor and lived at Eagle House Barton on Humber,Molly,Gertrude- she married and went to live on Canada,Adeline,George-my grandfather
and Clara who they adopted.
Englebert had abrother George who lived in South Africa also a brother Leopold who lived in London.
I think he also had a sister Barbara
There is also a link with a Captain Philipps( German Navy) who was a Mayor of Neurfauinater pre 1914.
I hope this is helpful to you.
Gloria

frederick anthonys widow in 1901
1901 ensus

Address 9 Napier Ter
Civil Parish Sculcoates
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Hull
Ecclesiastical Parish St Pauls
Parliamentary Borough or Division Central Division Kingston Upon Hull
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Kingston Upon Hull
Administrative County Kingston Upon Hull
Householder 1
Name Adolphus Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Errand Boy
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Agnes Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 13
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Alfred Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Naval Seamans
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Angelina Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 22
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Fredrick A Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 44
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Germany Naturlized B S
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Joseph Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Mary T Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 19
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Hull
Language
Infirmity

1911
WAGNER ENGELBERT M 1853 58 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
WAGNER GERTRUDE F 1879 32 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
WAGNER KATHERINE F 1852 59 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

hi have updated 1851 for anthony wrong name for wife this is wife in 1851
1851 census

Name Adela Wagner
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household WIFE
Occupation ?
Address 12 Carlisle Street
District Hull, Myton
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place --
Birth County GERMANY

Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Wagner Anthony 72 Sculcoates 9d 126

1851 census

Name Anthony Wagner
Age 27
Estimated Year of Birth 1824
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation CLOCK MAKER (1MAN)
Address 12 Carlisle Street
District Hull, Myton
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place --
Birth County GERMANY
in house
anthony head 27
adela wife 30
john 1
mettnas wagner brother 31 born germany
HO 107 / 2338

Deaths Mar 1935 (87%)
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Wagner Engelbert 82 Sculcoates 9d 272

Deaths Sep 1928 (>99%)
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Wagner Catherine 77 Sculcoates 9d 181

I wonder if this family are the same one that had butchers shops in Hull.

My grandmother worked for Kress & Wagner and i am sure she said they were of German origin. I can't find any info about the shops online though.

anthonty father in 1891
1891 census

Name Anthony Wagner
Age 67
Estimated Year of Birth 1824
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation WATCHMAKER
Address 12 Carlisle Street
District Myton, Hull
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place ??
Birth County GERMANY
in house
anthony head 67
fredericka wife 4
angelina 12
alfred 9
joseph 8
adolf 5
agnes 3
annie benton servant 16

fathers details
1861 census

Name Anthony Wagner
Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1824
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation WATCH & CLOCK MAKER EMPLOYING 3 MEN
Address 12 Carlisle Street
District Hull, Myton
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place --
Birth County GERMANY

wife born germany also

1871

Name: Engelbert Wagner
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Antony
Mother's Name: Kunigunda
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Antony Wagner 47 b. Baden, Germany
Kunigunda Wagner 36 b. Baden, Germany
Engelbert Wagner 18
Edward Wagner 8
Emil Wagner 4
Katarina Kamerrer 23

1861 census

Name Leopold Wagner
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household SON
Occupation Juvenile
Address 12 Carlisle Street
District Hull, Myton
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Hull
Birth County ?
in house
anthony wagner head 37
reginda wife 26
leopold 2
fridolm 7 months
RG 9 / 3590

NOT what you're looking for ....but probably Family. I would have thought they were of German origin rather than Dutch on this census.??

Name: William Wagner
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Holland (Foriegn Subject)

Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Drypool
,William Wagner 33
Charlotte Wagner 35
Charlotte Wagner 12
Alice Bertha Wagner 6
William Henry Wagner 3
Lybe Wagner 1


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4484; Folio: 58; Page: 45.

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
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Wagner Engelbert Sculcoates 9d 409
WILDES Catherine Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 409


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Leopold in 1911

WAGNER CYRIL M 1893 18 West Ham Essex
WAGNER ENITH M 1892 19 West Ham Essex
WAGNER ROSE F 1870 41 West Ham Essex
WAGNER WINIFRED F 1897 14 West Ham Essex
WAGNER LEOPOLD M 1859 52 West Ham Essex

brother leopold in 1901
1901 census

Address 48 Upton Pk Rd
Civil Parish West Ham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Stephens
Parliamentary Borough or Division Nth Div Of West Ham Boro
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District West Ham Cty Borough
Administrative County Borough Of West Ham
Householder 1
Name Emma Clark
Relation to Head of Family Lodger
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 66
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Living On Own Means
Employment Status
Where Born London Shoreditch
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Cyril Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Holloway
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Emil Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Fulham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Leopold Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 41
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Author And Journalist
Employment Status
Where Born Yorkshire Hull
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Rose Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 29
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born N Devon Beaford
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Winifred Wagner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Forest Gate
Language
Infirmity

Other family members on 1911

JOHNSON ADELINE F 1887 24 Patrington Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
JOHNSON FRANK M 1887 24 Patrington Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

hi think this is the broher in 1891
1891 census

Name Leopold Wagner
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation AUTHOR & JOURNALIST
Address 71 Hazelbury Road
District Fulham, Fulham
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place Hull
Birth County YORKSHIRE
in house
leopold head 32
rose wife 20
harol 2
catherine wagner sister in law 32
adeline neice 6
both born york hull
RG 12 / 52

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