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Can anyone help, I have been looking for a David Evans born early 1800? I have his son John's birth certificate 1843 stating David and a Jane Jones as parents. I found a Jane Jones on the 1841 census with older siblings to John but the Head of Household states a Thomas Evans, but when I looked at each individual child it did not say that they were his children only a ? appeared. The funny thing that I have just noticed is that on Johns Marriage Certificate the witnesses are a Thomas Watts and Jane Jones. I am very confused, any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Please give ALL the details from marriage cert if you want us to take a look for you.

Thanks,

Dea x

Hello Dea,

The marriage was at the Parish Church in the Parish of St |Mary Newington, Surrey. John Evans married Sophia Povey on the 30 July 1865. The witnesses were Thomas Watts and Jane Jones. John was a Fellmonger and was living at Collitch Place

Janet

Does it not give addresses, ages, occupations, fathers + occupations etc.??

Dea x

Sorry, John was a fellmonger living at Collitch Place His father David Evans was a furrier. Sophia was living at Newington Butts, her father William Povey was a Blacksmith. There ages I cant read properly but I think about 22 they were both born in 1843

Janet

Hello Dea, were you able to find anything out for me, Thanks Janet

I am having diffculty in finding ANY of them -if you have Johns birth cert where was he born? Have you found him and Sophia after their marriage on any census? Where was she born? There seem to be two Sophia Poveys born about 1844 -one in Abingdon Berks and one in Prestbury Cheshire
Although they were married in England should we be looking to Wales for the Evans /Jones family?

OK have now located them in 1881
39 Minto St Bermondsey
John Evans 38 Fellmonger b Bermondsey
Sophia Evans 37 Cook b Abingdon Berks
David 12
Sophia 5
Frances 1 all b Bermondsey

And here is where Thomas Watts (the witnes at the wedding comes in -he is Johns stepfather
1861 Bermondsey
Thomas Wattts 57 Fellmonger b Southwark
Jane Watts 55 wife b Aberystwith Wales
David evans 23 stepson Cigar maker b Southwark
John Evans 18 stepson Fellmonger b Southwark

I dont know if this is the 1841 Census you found but it fits in all but the Name of the Head of household who is shown to be Thomas not David

1841 Bermondsey
Thomas Evans 34 Fur Dyer
Jane Evans 35
David Evans 3
Jane Evans 5
Morgan Evans 10 mths

Relationships were not shown in 1841 and Thomas and (presumably) his wife Jane are "not born in Surrey" but the children are.
In 1851 David Evans, the son, is in The Welsh School in Grays Inn Lane St Pancras which would seem to indicate that Thomas died before 1851, but where is John in 1851?
It could be that either Thomas was properly David Thomas and used his middle name , or because he died when John was small the correct name was not remembered

Hello Gilian thanks for your reply, I have found John and Sophia on the 1871 census. I can't find much about his father David I am not sure whether he was married to Jane Jones although they are both listed as parents on Johns birth certificate. On the 1841 Census it states Thomas Evans as head but not as the husband to Jane or father to the children, John was not born at this time. So I am assuming that David must have died? I did find John and Sophia on the 1881 census, Thanks for your help

Sorry Sophia was born in Abingdon, Berkshire. The other thing is that on Johns marriage cert, the witnesses are a Thomas Watts and Jane Jones? Also John was born St. Mary Magdalene Bermondsey, the address shown is 14 Victoria Place

Well,here's a bit more from the IGI
David Evans married Jane Jones 28/7/1833 St Mary Newington, Surrey

Jane Evans (who appears in the 1841 census above) baptised St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey 29/11/1835 daughter of David and Jane. Cant find a baptism for David or Morgan , but it does look asif this the right family and for some reason David is using the name Thomas

As for the Jane Jones who was a witness she could be an aunt or grandmother of the groom?

Hello Gillian, thanks a lot for that. Can I just ask one more question, I did find a marriage for David and Jane for the 23 July 1833 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey. Obviously I am not sure if these are my relatives, but how does someone go about getting a certificate? I happened to find it on the Familysearch site, not sure where I find the volume or page no. Also how would I find David(thomas) and Janes births? Thanks Janet

Janet
I/m afraid that registration nationally of births deaths and marriages only began in England and Wales in 1837 -before that there is only the examination of parish records and as far as births were concerned that means there would only be a record IF the child was baptised.Parish records of marriages do not (In England and Wales) usually give parents names.
The IGI (on Familysearch) covers many parishes but even there the listings are limited as to years depending on whether the register was still in use when the transcribing occurred
I am sure the marrriage in 1833 is right given that it is the same church as their son John chose for his mariage and it fits timewise
The prospect of finding a Jane Jones (of all names) born in Aberystwith in 1806 with any degree of certainty seems dim but you could try but with David/ Thomas we dont even know his right name let alone where he was born
Sorry I couldnt help more

Hello Gillian, you have been a great help thank you very very much. Best wishes to you, without people like you us novices would be lost!! Janet

Hello Gillian you mentioned "where is John in 1851" well not sure if it is correct but I found him in 1851 staying at his grandparents in Southwark, so if this is correct that means I have found David/Thomas's parents and siblings? Janet

If you mean the Southwark St George Household headed by John Evans 64 and wife Ann 57 -I too found that showing a grandson John 8 but I ruled him out as it says he was born St Georges Southwark, not Bermondsey. However I see that John is shown as born Southwark in 1861 when he is with his stepfather Thomas Watts so it could well be that this is the right family -somehow I had been expecting them to originate from Wales not Middlesex or Lambeth as John and Ann are, but maybe not. I will see if I can find them 1841

Hello Gillian, thanks for that Janet

Janet
Have now found the reason I ruled out that household of John and Ann Evans in Southwark

1851 Bermondsey
Jane Evins (sic) 43 wid Laundress b Wales
Jane 15 daur general servant b Bermondsey
JOHN 8 b Bermondsey
Mary 10 b Bermondsey
Margaret 3 b Bermondsey
so Thomas/David must have died between 1847 and 1851