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LOOKING TO TRACE THOMAS

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RMRIO

RMRIO Report 3 Aug 2009 11:35

LOOKING TO TRACE MY GRANDAD. WHO LIVED A 3 JANES TERRACE,JANES STREET,HULL AT THE TIME MY FATHER SIDNEY WAS BORN 1903.THOMAS'S WIFE WAS LUCY (NEE MORRIS) I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE BEAUTYMAN NAME ORIGINATED.THANK YOU TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP AS I AM JUST STARTING TO TRACE MY ANCESTORS , KIND REGARDS. RITA

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 3 Aug 2009 12:41

Surname: Beautyman

Recorded in a number of spellings including Beautyman, Bootman, Bootiman, and Boothman, this most interesting surname is of pre 7th century Olde English and Anglo-Saxon origins. It is an occupational name for a cowman or herdsman, or someone who worked in a dairy or cowhouse. It originates from the elements "bothe", meaning a barn, plus "man", which in this context means the one in charge, the foreman. The initial element "bothe" also gives us the surname Booth or Boothe, which is today popular and widespread in the North of England. Job descriptive surnames originally denoted the actual occupation of the namebearer, and later became hereditary. The surname itself first appears in records in the late 13th Century (see below), whilst other early recordings of the name include Nicholas le Bouthman, mentioned in the Assize Court Rolls of Cheshire in 1287, and Henry Bootheman, who was recorded in the Calendar of Pleadings, during the time of Elizabeth 1 (1558 - 1603). Elizabeth Beautyman, possibly a deliberate mis-spelling, married Robert Williams, at the famous church of St Katherine by the Tower (of London) on January 4th 1684, and the parish registers of St Andrews in "the Barbadoes" record John Boothman as a landowner in the parish in June 1680. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Roger Bothman, which was dated 1279, in the "Hundred Rolls of Huntingdonshire", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307.

Liz 47

Liz 47 Report 3 Aug 2009 12:42

Have you tried a search on this site, there are quite a lot of members looking for the surname
Liz

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 14:40

Here is their marriage, ordering it should tell you his fathers name and occupation;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Beautyman Thomas Hull 9d 514
Morris Lucy Hull 9d 514


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 14:50

Looks like the family mistranscribed;

1901 England Census
about Thomas Brantyman
Name: Thomas Brantyman
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Hull Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Hull St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 239
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Brantyman 32
Lucy Brantyman 26
Edward Brantyman 5
William Brantyman 4
Thomas H Brantyman 6 months


Image states Beautyman, Thomas was a dock labourer.


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 14:55

There are 2 Thomas Beautyman born the same year in Hull, both fathers are Thomas............ so I think you would need the marriage cert to find out the fathers occupation.

Just looking at the names of Thomas's children pushed me towards this one;

1891 England Census
about Thomas Beautyman
Name: Thomas Beautyman
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Off Hull River Humber
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Beautyman 45 <<<<<<,,, general labourer.
Mary A Beautyman 45
Thomas Beautyman 22 <<<<<<<< fisherman
Percival Beautyman 21
Edward Beautyman 18
William Beautyman 4




Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 15:05

This is from someone elses tree........... it NEEDS to be checked though;


Name: Thomas Beautyman
Birth: 1868 - Yorkshire, England
Marriage: 1894 - Yorkshire, England
Parents: Thomas Welcome Beautyman, Mary Ann Johnson
Spouse: Lucy Morris



Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 15:09

G Grandfathers marriage (minus Thomas!!)

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BEAUTYMAN Welcome Hull 9d 280
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JOHNSON Mary Ann Hull 9d 280
KNAGGS Robert Hull 9d 280
Wharton Hannah Hull 9d 280

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 15:11

From family search (IGI);

THOMAS WELCOME BEAUTYMAN Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 FEB 1846 Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: PERCIVAL BEAUTYMAN Family
Mother: JANE




What a lovely name.

Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 15:17

Possible for Lucy??? Again the marriage cert would confirm her fathers name and occupation;

1881 England Census
about Lucy Morris
Name: Lucy Morris
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William H.
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull

Civil parish: Kingston-Upon-Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Salthouse Court
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William H. Morris 29 (General labourer)
Margaret Morris 29
Emily Morris 9
Lucy Morris 7
Charlotte Morris 4
John Eagle 25


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Aug 2009 15:20

Probably mistranscribed again;

1891 England Census
about Lucy Norris
Name: Lucy Norris
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston Upon Hull

Civil parish: Drypool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Drypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Webster 59
Annie E Sheldon 5
Nelley Sheldon 4
Louisa Sheldon 2
Lucy Norris 16


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:03

Hi Rita,

This could be Lucy's parents marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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***********************Birch Margaret Hull 9d 474
Ironmonger Sarah Ann Hull 9d 474
***********************Morris William Hull 9d 474
ROBINSON John William Hull 9d 474



Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:08

A possible for Margarets parents............. note the name Charlotte pops up again;

1871 England Census
about Margaret Birch
Name: Margaret Birch
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 251
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Birch 54 <<<<<<<<<Dock Labourer
Charlotte Birch 50
William Birch 24
Margaret Birch 18
James Birch 16
Sarah Ann Birch 14
John Birch 10
Charlotte Birch 8


All born Hull. Address 4 Stable Yards, Salthouse Lane.


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:09

Possible marriage for Samuel and Charlotte Birch;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
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*********************************Barnett Charlotte Sculcoates 22 468
**********************************Birch Samuel Sculcoates 22 468
CORNWELL Edward Sculcoates 22 468
MANTON Adam Sculcoates 22 468
MOORE Thomas Sculcoates 22 468
POOL Catherine Sculcoates 22 468
SPINK Elizabeth Sculcoates 22 468

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:11

Margarets birth??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Birch Margaret Hull 9d 160


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:17

Possible for William Henry Morris's birth;


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Morris William Henry Hull 9d 179

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:18

1871 England Census
about William H Morris
Name: William H Morris
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh McGarrell 48
Catherine McGarrell 44
Thomas McGarrell 15
William H Morris 19 <<<<<<<<< labourer (dock)


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:19

William still isn't with his parents.......... thinking you will definately need his marriage and birth cert to confirm who is parents are;

1861 England Census
about William Morris
Name: William Morris
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
William Swift 43
Sarah Swift 46
John Swift 20
Elizabeth Swift 17
Sarah A Swift 12
William Swift 7
William Morris 10


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:36

I can't see any links to William Morris's parents, going back onto the Birch side though;

1851 England Census
about Samuel Birch
Name: Samuel Birch
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Kingston Upon Hull St Mary
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Barnett 55 <<<<<<<<< Charlottes mother.(widower)
Samuel Birch 34 <<<<<<<<, cabinet maker
Charlotte Birch 31
Ann Barnett 20 <<<<<<< Charlottes Sister
John Barnett 22 <<<<<<<<< Charlottes Brother
Elizabh Birch 12
William Birch 3
Thomas Birch 1
Thomas Smith 53 <<<<<<<<< Lodger


BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 6 Aug 2009 09:40

Living with Charlottes family again;

1841 England Census
about Samuel Birch
Name: Samuel Birch
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Hundred: Kingston upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Kingston upon Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Barnett 20
Mary Barnett 20
Samuel Birch 25
Charlott Birch 20
Elizabeth Birch 2
Mary Birch 1 Mo