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3 Aug 2009 11:35 |
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LOOKING TO TRACE MY GRANDAD. WHO LIVED A 3 JANES TERRACE,JANES STREET,HULL AT THE TIME MY FATHER SIDNEY WAS BORN 1903.THOMAS'S WIFE WAS LUCY (NEE MORRIS) I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE BEAUTYMAN NAME ORIGINATED.THANK YOU TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP AS I AM JUST STARTING TO TRACE MY ANCESTORS , KIND REGARDS. RITA
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3 Aug 2009 12:41 |
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Surname: Beautyman Recorded in a number of spellings including Beautyman, Bootman, Bootiman, and Boothman, this most interesting surname is of pre 7th century Olde English and Anglo-Saxon origins. It is an occupational name for a cowman or herdsman, or someone who worked in a dairy or cowhouse. It originates from the elements "bothe", meaning a barn, plus "man", which in this context means the one in charge, the foreman. The initial element "bothe" also gives us the surname Booth or Boothe, which is today popular and widespread in the North of England. Job descriptive surnames originally denoted the actual occupation of the namebearer, and later became hereditary. The surname itself first appears in records in the late 13th Century (see below), whilst other early recordings of the name include Nicholas le Bouthman, mentioned in the Assize Court Rolls of Cheshire in 1287, and Henry Bootheman, who was recorded in the Calendar of Pleadings, during the time of Elizabeth 1 (1558 - 1603). Elizabeth Beautyman, possibly a deliberate mis-spelling, married Robert Williams, at the famous church of St Katherine by the Tower (of London) on January 4th 1684, and the parish registers of St Andrews in "the Barbadoes" record John Boothman as a landowner in the parish in June 1680. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Roger Bothman, which was dated 1279, in the "Hundred Rolls of Huntingdonshire", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307.
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Liz 47
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3 Aug 2009 12:42 |
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Have you tried a search on this site, there are quite a lot of members looking for the surname Liz
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 14:40 |
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Here is their marriage, ordering it should tell you his fathers name and occupation;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beautyman Thomas Hull 9d 514 Morris Lucy Hull 9d 514
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 14:50 |
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Looks like the family mistranscribed;
1901 England Census about Thomas Brantyman Name: Thomas Brantyman Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lucy Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hull Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: Hull St Thomas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 239 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Brantyman 32 Lucy Brantyman 26 Edward Brantyman 5 William Brantyman 4 Thomas H Brantyman 6 months Image states Beautyman, Thomas was a dock labourer.
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 14:55 |
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There are 2 Thomas Beautyman born the same year in Hull, both fathers are Thomas............ so I think you would need the marriage cert to find out the fathers occupation.
Just looking at the names of Thomas's children pushed me towards this one;
1891 England Census about Thomas Beautyman Name: Thomas Beautyman Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Off Hull River Humber County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Beautyman 45 <<<<<<,,, general labourer. Mary A Beautyman 45 Thomas Beautyman 22 <<<<<<<< fisherman Percival Beautyman 21 Edward Beautyman 18 William Beautyman 4
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 15:05 |
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This is from someone elses tree........... it NEEDS to be checked though;
Name: Thomas Beautyman Birth: 1868 - Yorkshire, England Marriage: 1894 - Yorkshire, England Parents: Thomas Welcome Beautyman, Mary Ann Johnson Spouse: Lucy Morris
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 15:09 |
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G Grandfathers marriage (minus Thomas!!)
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BEAUTYMAN Welcome Hull 9d 280 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JOHNSON Mary Ann Hull 9d 280 KNAGGS Robert Hull 9d 280 Wharton Hannah Hull 9d 280
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 15:11 |
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From family search (IGI);
THOMAS WELCOME BEAUTYMAN Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 02 FEB 1846 Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: PERCIVAL BEAUTYMAN Family Mother: JANE
What a lovely name.
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 15:17 |
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Possible for Lucy??? Again the marriage cert would confirm her fathers name and occupation;
1881 England Census about Lucy Morris Name: Lucy Morris Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William H. Mother's Name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Hull Civil parish: Kingston-Upon-Hull County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 1 Salthouse Court Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William H. Morris 29 (General labourer) Margaret Morris 29 Emily Morris 9 Lucy Morris 7 Charlotte Morris 4 John Eagle 25
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BatMansDaughter
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3 Aug 2009 15:20 |
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Probably mistranscribed again;
1891 England Census about Lucy Norris Name: Lucy Norris Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Kingston Upon Hull Civil parish: Drypool Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Kingston Upon Hull County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Sculcoates Sub-registration district: Drypool ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Webster 59 Annie E Sheldon 5 Nelley Sheldon 4 Louisa Sheldon 2 Lucy Norris 16
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:03 |
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Hi Rita,
This could be Lucy's parents marriage;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***********************Birch Margaret Hull 9d 474 Ironmonger Sarah Ann Hull 9d 474 ***********************Morris William Hull 9d 474 ROBINSON John William Hull 9d 474
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:08 |
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A possible for Margarets parents............. note the name Charlotte pops up again;
1871 England Census about Margaret Birch Name: Margaret Birch Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Charlotte Gender: Female Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: St Mary County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 251 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Birch 54 <<<<<<<<<Dock Labourer Charlotte Birch 50 William Birch 24 Margaret Birch 18 James Birch 16 Sarah Ann Birch 14 John Birch 10 Charlotte Birch 8 All born Hull. Address 4 Stable Yards, Salthouse Lane.
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:09 |
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Possible marriage for Samuel and Charlotte Birch;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *********************************Barnett Charlotte Sculcoates 22 468 **********************************Birch Samuel Sculcoates 22 468 CORNWELL Edward Sculcoates 22 468 MANTON Adam Sculcoates 22 468 MOORE Thomas Sculcoates 22 468 POOL Catherine Sculcoates 22 468 SPINK Elizabeth Sculcoates 22 468
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:11 |
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Margarets birth??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Sep 1852 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birch Margaret Hull 9d 160
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:17 |
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Possible for William Henry Morris's birth;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Jun 1852 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris William Henry Hull 9d 179
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:18 |
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1871 England Census about William H Morris Name: William H Morris Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Hugh McGarrell 48 Catherine McGarrell 44 Thomas McGarrell 15 William H Morris 19 <<<<<<<<< labourer (dock)
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:19 |
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William still isn't with his parents.......... thinking you will definately need his marriage and birth cert to confirm who is parents are;
1861 England Census about William Morris Name: William Morris Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Poplar All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age William Swift 43 Sarah Swift 46 John Swift 20 Elizabeth Swift 17 Sarah A Swift 12 William Swift 7 William Morris 10
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:36 |
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I can't see any links to William Morris's parents, going back onto the Birch side though;
1851 England Census about Samuel Birch Name: Samuel Birch Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Son-in-law Spouse's Name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Kingston Upon Hull St Mary Town: Kingston Upon Hull County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
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Disability: View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Barnett 55 <<<<<<<<< Charlottes mother.(widower) Samuel Birch 34 <<<<<<<<, cabinet maker Charlotte Birch 31 Ann Barnett 20 <<<<<<< Charlottes Sister John Barnett 22 <<<<<<<<< Charlottes Brother Elizabh Birch 12 William Birch 3 Thomas Birch 1 Thomas Smith 53 <<<<<<<<< Lodger
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BatMansDaughter
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6 Aug 2009 09:40 |
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Living with Charlottes family again;
1841 England Census about Samuel Birch Name: Samuel Birch Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: St Mary Hundred: Kingston upon Hull County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Kingston upon Hull Sub-registration district: St Mary Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Barnett 20 Mary Barnett 20 Samuel Birch 25 Charlott Birch 20 Elizabeth Birch 2 Mary Birch 1 Mo
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