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Yup, that's what I've thought all along.

If I believed everything somebody linked to a relation's spouse's family told me, I'd be tracing a couple who are not my great-grandparents at all. Say: John Smith and Mary, who married around 1860. The GR member in whose tree I found them had picked a John Smith + Mary marriage in the area where they lived, obviously at random, and assigned them to my gr-grfather as his parents. I was happy to know it, since I was very new to it all. But then it started not adding up, and I got some certificates, and lo, the John Smith and Mary she had put in her multi-thousand name tree had nothing to do with my family. (Some distant cousin of hers had married my gr-grfather's sister.) I identified the right couple, but it took months to persuade her to correct the misinformation she had on the net.


Now, the reason I asked about her husband was so that you might tell us who and where he was. I know it looked like a yes/no question ... I should be clearer. Can you tell us where he was?

I'm just thinking that since people then didn't up sticks and move very far, usually, she might be in the same parish, or at least the same general vicinity.

The one Sue has is a possibility. There may end up being no way of knowing.


Oh -- I'm still looking for two of my grx2 grandfathers in 1841, five years on. (Found a grx3 from Wiltshire in the 1841 just last year, in Scotland of all places.) Sometimes, they just really don't want to be found. ;)

I am beginning to wonder............she is on every census and her MC as Eliza........do you think I maybe have the wrong baptism as it says Elizabeth..........I was told this information about her baptism by someone who was linked very closely to her husbands family.......

she married Joseph Coles June 1845 St pancras.......she I have him in 1841 . Eliza is not with him

Where did she marry? Do you have her husband in the 1841?

There is also this young lady. She is a female servant.

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DELANEY, John M 35 1806 Ireland
DELANEY, Sarah F 30 1811
DELANEY, Eleanor A F 5 1836 Middlesex
DELANEY, John M 5 1836 Middlesex
DELANEY, Louisa F 4 1837 Middlesex
DELANEY, Andrew M 2 1839 Middlesex
DELANEY, George S M 0 (8 months) 1841 Middlesex
DELANEY, Andrew M 25 1816 Ireland
LILLY, Elisa F 15 1826 Middlesex <<<<<<<<<<<<
HUGHES, George M 15 1826 Middlesex
STAFFORD, Richard M 55 1786 Middlesex

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
719 Book/Folio:
9/7 Page:
11

Registration District:
London Sub District:
London, South East EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Allhallows Staining Municipal Borough:
London Address:
Mark Lane, Allhallows Staining, London County:
Middlesex

i see what you mean about them having a 15yr old............maybe we just havent found them all in 1841

the information I gave was correct - she was born st pancras but baptised Shoreditch............there was so many variations of Liley - Lily, Lilly, Lilley, Liley even Lalley.........I am not entirely sure which is correct

The 1841 census you have:


John Lalley 40
Mary Lalley 29
John Lalley 7


It isn't really very likely that someone aged 29 has a child aged 15.


I would wonder about this household in St Leonard Shoreditch:

John Lilley 50 (I can't read his occupation - Timber ?)
Mary Maria 40
John Maria 20
William Maria 22
Eliza Baker 15

(as ridiculously transcribed by Ancestry)


You know her father's occupation from her marriage certificate? The DOB you give for him is a guess?

Yup, saw that one. You refer to her at the beginning of this thread as

ELIZA LILEY

and the baptism is for

ELIZABETH LILLY

You say at the beginning she was born in St Pancras, and the baptism is in Shoreditch.

Silly me, I was looking for someone with the name you gave, in the location you gave!


Name: Elizabeth Lilley
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch

Elizabeth Burgad 30
Elizabeth Lilley 15


I'd have a look at that one.

ELIZABETH LILLY Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
28 JUN 1826
Christening:
30 JUL 1826 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN LILLY Family
Mother: MARY

I know this from her baptism on IGI............PLUS confirmation from someone who knew her husbands side of the family

Name: John Lalley
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St James Dukes Place
Hundred: London Within the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: London
Sub-registration district: London North East
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lalley 40
Mary Lalley 29
John Lalley 7

If you don't have her on a census, how do you know her parents are John and Mary? A baptism record?

yes, I do have the MC to confirm this

Do you have the marriage cert for Eliza to confirm the occupation of father as bootmaker

Stephen, it would help if you would provide what you find - you've found it, but we have to go looking for it! Just copy the census info.

I have now found who I think are John and Mary on 1841 census but no Eliza........cannot seem to find John and Mary after the 1841 census - can anyone find them in the later census

father john was a boot maker born c1800 middlesex

Sorry ignore that!
x

unfortunately I dont know if she had siblings - she married in 1845 so my only hope was 1841 census