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Thankyou Meg,
Oh I wasn't asking for credits :-) I have just absolutely exhausted every variant I can think of, just nothing is coming up. I really don't know what to do next..!
There's something very odd! No-one can find a Birth Record.
I have used every variant of mis-spelt name I can think of..and still there is no sign of them on any 1891 census either in Scotland or England. I even tried Canada as I know Ellen Jnr emigrated there so :-( ?
It looks like the family split up, but Alexander registered Ellen's death on the same day she died, well you would think that someone else would have if they had split up 6 years previously, so my gut feeling tells me they hadn't so..?
Oh well thankyou once again for your words of encouragement..

Meryl

Welcome back Meryl. Sorry, I've no credits on Scotland's People either.

I suspect her surname might have multiple variations.

Hope somebody can help soon.

Best wishes

Meg

Please has anyone any suggestions as to how I can find the Birth Record for my Gt.Gt. G'Ma Ellen McLean.
She was born in 1849, Edinburgh, Midlothian, according to the 1881 census.
On the 1871 census she is with her husband Alexander Rankin, but the places they were born are entered the wrong way round I think, as I am sure Alexander was born in Manchester..
I used all my credits on the Scotlands People site looking for her, to no avail!
In case, she was born in Liverpool, (as that was where her 1st child was born), I asked Liverpool Records to look for her Birth Record, but again, they could find nothing..
Her Death was on 15-12-1897, Age 48yrs in Stockport, Cheshire.
What can I do next please?

Meryl

Thankyou for your advice Madmeg....

That's good of Stockport Registry Office then isn't it..? useful to know with all these Stockport Rellies lol!
I have, yesterday found a tree link on here for Alexander Rankin, and have sent a message..I am gonna give it a day or two.. so fingers crossed.. no reply as yet tho :-( not even read it yet lol! May be on jollies...
Thankyou again
Meryl

HI Meryl

I've looked for another Alexander Rankin who is older than yours, but there only appears to be one in Liverpool. The only way to prove it is the same one is to get the second marriage certificate.

If you print off a form from Cheshirebmd and post to the Stockport registry office, and specify his father's name, if it is a different chap they will rip up you cheque or not put through your credit card details so you don't pay a thing.

Margaret

Dear Helpers…..

The story so far…
Well…
Ellen McLean, was born somewhere? in Scotland in 1849. I have joined Scotlands People, but still cannot find anything that matches her with her Father, after endless searching 
There was always a saying in the family that in the 2nd W.War, one of my Dad’s cousins got in to The Scotch Guards, because his Gt.Grandma was a McLean!
My Dad’s gone now, bless him, but he told me about her and how she came down from Scotland to Manchester and went in service there..
On the marriage cert to Alexander Rankin in Manchester Cathedral on 24th Jan 1870, she is Eleanor, but has signed it Ellen. Her Father is Peter McLean and Alexander’s is William Rankin. (Mother Jane both b. Ireland)
I have found them in Liverpool on the 1871 census, with their first daughter, my Dad’s ‘beloved Grandma’, Mary Jane Rankin, age 1 month.
On the 1881 census the family are in Cheadle
Eliza Ann and the youngest 2 children on here however, appear to die later on,.. Eliza Jane at 10yrs in 1888 and Alexander at 2 yrs in 1882
On the 1891 census the daughters, as we now know, thanks to your help, are scattered.. with no sign anywhere of their parents, Alexander or Ellen.!
Ellen Jnr is living with her sister, my Dad’s Grandma and Grandad, Mary Jane and Edwin. Caroline is living with her Dad’s sister and husband, The Walker’s in Manchester.
But…although so young, they are of working age..
I am now wondering if their Mother Ellen got very ill in some way or left them, but why no Father?
Ellen Rankin (nee McLean) died in 1897, age 48 years old aww.. then..!.
I think?.. husband Alexander, turns up again on the 1901 census, age 57yrs re-married, in 1898, to a much younger woman, (as in about 18 to 23yrs younger) a widow, with 3 children, still in Cheadle… Annie Hough (nee Crank) age 34yrs and now, with a son of their own, also another ‘Alexander’ b. 1900, age 11 months..
I have also, now obtained a copy of the 1911 census:-
Alexander age 67yrs Head
Alexander Jnr age 10yrs Son
Annie age 44yrs Wife
Margaret age 19yrs Stepdaughter

Another child, born alive, but died and length of marriage 12 years.

The ages on the 2 most recent census’ do not tally with the earlier ones though..
My Uncle Fred, (1924) however, remembers the name Hough and Alex Rankin (Jnr) and associates them with the Cheadle area… so? I think it is the same Alexander Rankin, my Gt.Gt.Grandad, who didn’t die until 1923, aged 75 yrs old.
Why though, would he make himself out to be older on the census? I would have thought it would be the other way round, being married to a much younger woman, wouldn’t you?
I think she was born in 1866 which would only actually make her 18 yrs younger than him anyway? So..?
I have emailed Stockport Library to see if they have Workhouse Record between 1881 and 1897 to see if I can find Ellen in there…
I am so curious to know where they ‘disappeared’ to in 1891
And… my nephew has moved to and is building a house in Lochaline in Scotland, not far away from Dewart Castle where the McLean clan came from (unknown to him of course) so I am eager to find out where Ellen came from and trace back.. probably part of the Highland Clearances eh??
Goodness me.. this is an epic..! ooops sorry..!
What are your thoughts on this.. do you think it is Alexander turned up again?

No rush at all… just at your leisure.. you all seem very good at this..

Meryl

Meryl

you did everyhting right!!


The blanket thank you is just great ..... as Dea said, we all check back on threads where we have helped (by using the My Threads), so we do see anyhting that has been added.


Never be afraid to ask for help



I'm just glad that we could help you



sylvia

Thank you for your help and words of encouragement Dea phew! lol
I shall now go and add new info on my Rankin Tree
Thanx again everyone!
Meryl

There is a death for an Ellen Rankin in 1897 which could be 'your Eleanor?

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
>>RANKIN Ellen 48 Heaton Norris Stockport HEA/58/70 ???
>>RANKIN Ellen 48 Stockport First Stockport ST1/107/100 ???
RANKIN Mary 21 Heaton Norris Stockport HEA/58/20

It looks possible that this has been entered twice? - anyway they are both born c 1849 which would fit!

Dea x

Awww! - No need to cry Meryl, you have done everything 'perfectly'.

It's best to keep everything on the thread, including thanks so that everyone can see it. - Those people who have helped you so far will check the thread and see your message.

For info, these are the Rankin children born in Cheshire - I think there is an extra one which you may not have?

Rankin children - mothers maiden name McClean:
(from Cheshire Bmd site):

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RANKIN Eliza Ann Heaton Norris Stockport MCLEAN HEA/43/66


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RANKIN Ellen Adela Stockport Second Stockport MCLEAN ST2/34/46


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RANKIN Caroline Walker Heaton Norris Stockport MCLEAN HEA/49/73


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RANKIN Eliza Jane Heaton Norris Stockport MCLEAN HEA/52/49


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RANKIN Alexander Heaton Norris Stockport MCLEAN HEA/54/98


If you have any more questions re this family - Remember to add them to this thread and not start a new one - this way all the info which has been found already will be together and new 'helpers' will not be duplicating the effort.

Very nice to see someone taking heed of the suggestion to read the rules. It does make things much easier for all, but, don't be afraid of asking for more help - the 'odd mistake' if you get things a little wrong will always be forgiven.

Welcome to the boards,

Dea x

Thankyou, Thankyou and Thankyou very much to Madmeg, Ann of Green Gables and Sylvia (in Canada) for looking up my Rankin's.
Some of it is a really, really useful and very much appreciated,cross reference for me to confirm what I thought I knew, so brill and there is quite a lot of new info there too so great..and Ta again..!
Now, I haven't used this facility on here before, but have read posts a lot.
I have been too afraid to use it in case I do it wrong.
I have seen people keep getting quite badly told off for doing so and starting new threads.!
I have just read the rules but it doesn't really tell me how to reply individually, so I have had to do a blanket reply to all 3 of you.
I have seen people say "Do not click on my name" so am a bit worried and shall cry if I've done this wrong and get a nasty telling off by 'that person' ! lol!
So.. I am very sorry if this does not work the way I intend and I have really tried to do it correctly and clicked on repl in my threads..
Sylvia.. Ellen Adelia Rankin, my Dad's Gt. Aunt emigrated to Ontario in Canada, she married Joseph Pugh and they had the Post Office there..

Meryl

I cannot find Alexander, Ellen/Eleanor or Eliza ........ on any censuses, or dead etc




I wonder if they cahnged their name for some reason



or if they emigrated.





sylvia

hmmmmmm


alexander's birth from the I G I



ALEXANDER RANKIN Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 AUG 1848 Saint Phillips,Salford, , Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM RANKIN Family
Mother: JANE

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C047501 1826 - 1848 0506449 Film 6909475 Film




sylvia

and here's Ellen


1891 Census

Name: Ellen A Rankin
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Cheadle
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheadle
Town: Cheadle
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Cheadle

Edwin Griffin 22 Gasser
Mary Jane Griffin 20 Winder
Ellen A Rankin 16 Winder

Address:- 8 Little Street



it looks as though the family broke up for some reason




sylvia

Finally, I've one of the Rankins on the 1891 Census!

1891 Census

Name: Caroline W Rankin
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Cheetham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Cheetham

Edmund Walker 42 b.ca 1849, Manchester, Brickmaker
Eliza J Walker 40 b.c1 1851, Hulme, Lancashire
Caroline W Rankin 14 Apprentice in Book Binding
Henry Henderson 12 Lodger, Apprentice in Tin Plate Working

Address:- 19 Irkdale Street



sylvia

here are christening records for 4 of the children

all taken from the I G I on familysearch.

You can look for these yourself ...... it is a free site

Go to www.familysearch.org

click on Advanced Search

scroll down to International Genealogical Index

Put father's name in father's box, mother's christian name in mother's box (do not use surname)

Put Birth/Christening 1880 +/10 years

British Isles, England


To see what is included in each entry, just click on the name


I'll let you do that last little bit!


Ellen Adela Rankin - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUL 1874 St Mary'S, Stockport, Cheshire, England

2. Eliza Ann Rankin - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 04 NOV 1872

3. Eliza Ann Rankin - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 DEC 1872 St Thomas, Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England

4. Caroline Walker Rankin - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 SEP 1876 St Mary'S, Stockport, Cheshire, England





sylvia

the International Genealogicla Index on www.familysearch.org ... the Mormon site ... has this record. It is an extracted record which means it has been taken from the actual parish register.


But it says he married Eleanor

However, Ellen and Eleanor have been quite interchangeable at various times'


ALEXANDER RANKIN Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ELEANOR MC LEAN Family
Marriage: 24 JAN 1870 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M097896 1867 - 1868 0438229 Film 6900002 Film
M097896 1868 - 1869 0438230 Film NONE
M097896 1869 - 1870 0438231 Film NONE
M097896 1870 - 1871 0438232 Film NONE
M097896 1871 - 1872 0438233 Film NONE




sylvia

these are all from www.freebmd.org.uk ...... a free site that carries the bmds from the start of registration on July 1 1837 to (currently ) about 1935 ..... volunteers are working ahrd to get all bmds up to 1983 onto this site.




Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)

McLhan Eleanor Manchester 8d 199
McLhan Ellen Manchester 8d 199
RANKIN Alexander Manchester 8d 199



The transcriber obviously wasn't sure about the spelling of Ellen's first name!!



EDIT:- I looked at the actual image ......... the surname is McLean


BUT there is both an Eleanor and an Ellen entered, so it is uncertain who Eleanor McLean married.






sylvia

Alexander didn't live very long from the look of it


Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)

RANKIN Alexander 2 Stockport 8a 35




sylvia

from ancestry.co.uk

1881 Census

Name: Alexander Rankin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Cheadle
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Bridge Hall Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Joiner

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Cheadle

Alexander Rankin 32
Ellen Rankin 31 b.ca 1850, Midlothian, Scotland <<<<< image looks more like Edinburgh, Scotland
Mary Jane Rankin 10
Ellen Eda Rankin 6
Eliza Jane Rankin 3
Caroline Walker Rankin 4
Alexander Rankin 1 b.ca 1880, Stockport



sylvia