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That was my thinking: Thomas Waggoner in 1851 is possibly a brother of Martin David Weigner.

He may have taken on MDW's children on his death. Or the enumerator, who does seem to have been a slapdash type, may have just assumed. Not uncommon.

Thomas is old enough to have a child of his own who is Catherine's parent - yikes, no, you're right, he isn't.

Also note that Mary Baulf is listed second-last in the household. It's possible that Catherine is meant to show as her grandchild (but the age problem is the same).

Catching up can take some time ... have we noticed that the next household on the page in 1851 is Henry Baulf, fisherman, and wife Sarah? Do you know how they fit in?

This is Henry Baulf in 1841 in case it's of interest.

Name: Henry Bault
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent

Henry Bault 30 - fisherman
Sarah Bault 30
Henry Robert D 3 Mo


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HENRY BAULF
Christening: 25 SEP 1807 St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent, England
Father: PETER BAULF
Mother: MARY
Source Information: C006321


Yeh, sibling of Mary 1809, Elizabeth Ann 1813, Catharine 1815.

Thanks JC

I have details of Henry and Sarah and most of the other Baulf family. It is a fairly rare name.

Henry Baulf was Mary Baulf/Weigner's brother.

Charlotte Margetts nee Baulf was a sister.

I wonder if Mary''s age was wrong.

This would be grandmother's details below

MARY RATTLE Pedigree
Christening: MAY 1778 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
Parents:
Father: CHARLES RATTLE Family
Mother: SARAH

Extracted birth
C025574

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 17

Month: 5

Year: 1778

Forename: Mary

Othernames:

Surname: Rattle

Fathers forenames: Charles
Mothers forenames: Sarah
Birth date:
Address: Ch Lane
Location of church: Whitechapel
Parish: St Mary
Church address: Whitechapel Road
Entry No: 2823
Source Ref: X024/089




Found Mary Baulf (Rattle) on 1841 census living with daughter Charlotte in Greenwich.
1841 Queen Street, Greenwich
MAYETTE, Charlotte F 20 Kent (Margetts)
MAYETTE, Elizabeth F 2 Kent (Margetts)
MAYETTE, George M 0 (3 months) Kent (Margetts)
BAULF, Mary F 60 Kent
WEIGNER, Martin M 30 Kent
WEIGNER, Mary F 30 Kent
WEIGNER, Charles M 4 Kent
CARR, Mary Ann F 56

Mary died on the 4th sep 1855 and was buried on the 07.09.1855

I have joined Ancestry now so will attempt a correction myself.

Still need to track the Weigners bur there are many possible mistranscriptions. I still do not have enough detail to make a definite match. And still no Catherine in 1841.

The family mainly lived in Greenwich in the streets by the maritime museum and also a little further along the river in Woolwich by the old ferry approach.

I am at work now so will catch up later.

An update.


Still no nearer to solving the 1851 mysrery as to why Matin appears to have changed his nime but I have found this baptism

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Martin David Weegner
Name:Martin David Weegner
Baptism Date:4 Feb 1810
Parish:St John Horselydown
County:Surrey
Borough:Southwark
Parent(s):
Charles Weegner, a mariner
Elizabeth Weegner
Record Type:Baptism


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Jane Weegner
Name:Jane Weegner
Baptism Date:23 Oct 1803
Parish:St John Horselydown
County:Surrey
Borough:Southwark
Parent(s):
Charles Weegner,
Elizabeth Weegner
Record Type:Baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Weegner
Name:Louisa Weegner
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1815
Baptism Date:15 Feb 1815
Father's Name:Charles Weegner
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Weegner
Parish or Poor Law Union:Horselydown St John
Borough:Southwark

1851 census - household transcription
Address: 14, Vine Yard, Saint Johns, Southwark
WEEGNER, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 84 1767 Dartmouth Devonshire
WEEGNER, Ludewary Daughter Unmarried F 44 1807 Charwoman Horselydown Surrey

I am not sure who Ludewary is supposed to be.

I opened this thread a few days ago because of the interesting names and then I went to another tab and forgot to go back to this one, I have just seen it again ... I need to keep closer tabs on my tabs :-)

could Ludewary ( she is Ludeway at ancestry and that is how it looks ) be this person in 1861 ?

Name: Elizabeth Weigner
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Horslydown, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St John Horsleydown
County/Island: Surrey

Mary A Sawyer 48
Stephen Morris 63
Elizabeth Weigner 57


this would be mother's death ?

Elizabeth Weegner Apr-May-Jun 1854 St Olave Southwark

Thankyou Chrissiex. :-D

Very helpful.

the only other maybe related things I can see are these deaths

Mary Wegner abt 1807 Oct-Nov-Dec 1879 St Olave Southwark

Henry Wegner abt 1811 Apr-May-Jun 1874 St Olave Southwark

Isabella Wegener Jul-Aug-Sep 1864 St George Southwark

?

that Mary could be Luda... :-)

That is possible.

Isabella and Henry I cannot see a connection as yet.

There seem to be so many variations on a rare name.

martin married into my tree but I like to fill in the parents and siblings to give confirmation to my tree.