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Hi, hoping my lovely genes friends can help me once again. I am trying to find my grandmother with no avail. She was born Nov 1898 Margaret Gill daughter of Robert Gill (as on he marriage certificate) My nana told me she was born in Gateshead but i can not find anything on 1901 census - please help - any information would be gratefully recieved, love julie

These 2 in 1911 born Durham (not Gateshead as you can see) and living with a Charles:

GILL MARGARET F 1899 12 South Shields Durham
GILL MARGARET MUSGROVE F 1899 12 Teesdale Durham

However!

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
GILL Margaret Jane Gateshead 10a 1044
Births Dec 1898
Gill Margaret Gateshead 10a 961


Jan

Thanks Janet, but not my margaret, ive been looking for years and getting really stumped.

just seen the births youve put o Janet, the second could be her, ill have to send off and find out, maybe get a little bit closer, would still love to see she existed on the censuses xxx

Margaret Musgrove Gills father was William and mother Sarah Jane (1911 census).

Did she ever mention any siblings? Could she have reduced her age on the marriage cert? My grandmother took 5 years off her age when she married

It's possible that she was born elsewhere and the family moved to Gateshead when she was very young and as she grew older she assumed that was where she had been born. That happened on one of mine and it took me a while to track him down!

Jill

Its definately Gill, Janet her father was definately RObert Gill also

Just had a thought. If you know she was born in Nov 1898 then it would be worth writing to the GRO and asking for a search. They search a 3 year period. Tell them what you know for sure and also what you believe to be the case and see if that brings a result. (It costs a little more and takes a while longer than normal applications and you do need to write in as you can't do this on line.)

There is also the possibility that she may have been registered under her mother's name and maybe Robert was her stepfather? Or, could she have been illegitimate maybe and "invented" a father?

Do you know if she had any siblings at all? It might be easier to look for a sibling on the censuses ...

Jill

This Margaret was born in Gateshead

GILL EDITH MARGARET F 1884 27 Gateshead Durham

No Robert around though.

What marriage witnesses do you have?

Jan

What was Robert's occupation given as on marriage cert?

What is the occupation of Robert on the marriage cert?

If you know her mother's maiden name it's definitely worth looking for her birth under that. My grandmother was born 1908 with no father on birth certificate but her marriage cert shows father's name - I've not managed to discover if he was her real father or not but she was born before her parents got married. Point is, unless you've got info to back it up, don't believe everything you see!

1901 I keep looking at the family called GILE. Parents of Robert and Isabella. Robert is a farmer

Hope this helps

Margaret was born 28 November 1898 (my uncle now deceased said he registered death)

10 Sept 1921 marriage at Cotehill & cumwhitton parish Church
Thomas Irving age 23 Bachelor - farm labourer residence Allen House Cumwhitton (Father) RObert Irving Farm Labourer.
Margaret Gill aged 22 Spinster (no profession but was 7 months pregnant) residence Creklakes (father) Robert Gill Labourer Alabaster works.
Witnesses - Harrison Holliday & Eliza Lavinia Irving

I belive she had a brother and the family story passed down is that her father drank their inheritance (story fomr margaret herself)

Appreciate all the help from averyone xxx

ive added all extra facts i have - thanks fto all

Thanks Julie. Its a mystery. The family moved to Cumbria at some point but I can see no trace in 1901 or 1911

Will keep looking

Kayx

thanks Kaye - im really frustrated now, and unfortunatley i started doing the tree 6 years ago after my dad died, you dont realise at the time what ihow valuable informaton is that you dont discuss. The irving side has been a night mare too, if it hadnt of been help from you genes experts id still be at this stage with that, love and thanks xxxx

i forgot to mention, my nana was in service when she met my grandad, hope this helps xxxx

Have you checked the electoral register in the village for Robert for the year that Margaret married?