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Eleanor Grey was my grandmother she married Robert Lamberth on 3rd MARCH 1923, on the marriage certificate she is 20 years old and living in Blyth Northumberland.

I have twice sent for what I thought could be her birth certificate to find out her mother's name and maiden name, both times wrong.

The first was:

Eleanor Grey Newcastle 10b 337 Sep QTR 1903 , of course that was wrong as I had not took into account her age in March 1923 on her marriage certificate.

Second attempt:

Eleanor Grey Newcastle 10b 13 March QTR 1902, guess what this was wrong as this Eleanor had been born Dec 1901 and the birth was registered in January 1902 and her father's name was Robert Grey, all together a mile out.

I have done more GRO checks and all I can find is:

Eleanor GRAY Newcstle T 10b 156 March QTR 1903

This possibly could be her with an incorrect spelling of her surname.

I have what I think is her father's birth as:

John Grey Tynemouth 10b 201 March QTR 1866

On the 1871 Census he shows his birthplace as Houghton Le Spring Durham.

Also:

John William Grey:

Marriage South Shields 10a 1048 March QTR 1901

I did not know my grandmother Eleanor and the family did not speak of her as she left the marital home and four young children behind.

It is a lot to ask for help but I am desperate to find out about her as I think when she went away she may have had more children, my relatives.

Please do a look up if you are at the Records Office and many thanks if you take the time.

Kindest regards

Janice Lamberth

have you managed to spot her on the 1911 census ?

She may be less than 20 ?
OR not registered as Grey ?

Janice

can you confirm her fathers name and occupation on her marrige certificate please?

Ginny
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Your PM; Her father's name was John William Grey and he was a bricklayer

Janice its best to post back on here rather than PM so everyone can help hun

Ginny
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from the free search on the 1911 Census site www.fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/


HOUSEHOLD GREY ELENOR F 1904 7 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY ELIZABETH F 1909 2 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY HILDA F 1906 5 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY JOHN WILLIAM M 1879 32 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY MARGARET F 1883 28 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY PHYLLIS GLEDSON F 1910 1 Tynemouth Northumberland




I don't have a subscription, and the credits are expensive.


You may be able to find someone who does have a sub who is willing to look at the details, or you can take out 60 credits for £6.95




sylvia

and then there is this birth registration on www.freebmd.org. uk


Births Sep 1903 (>99%)

GREY Eleanor Tynemouth 10b 337





sylvia

Don't forget that someone who says they are 20 in March 1923 ............ could be 20 years old that day OR 20 years 11 months and 30 days, ie turning 21 the next day!


so they could have been born between March 1903 and March 1904



sylvia

1911 census transcription details for: 14 Percy Street Blyth

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN30820 RG78PN1761 RD559 SD5 ED2 SN137


Reg. District: Tynemouth Sub District: Blyth
Parish: Newsham and South Blyth Enum. District: 2
Address: 14 Percy Street Blyth
County: Northumberland
GREY, John William Head Married M 32 1879 Miner Stoneman Underground Durham Felling
GREY, Margaret Wife Married
10 years F 28 1883 Northumberland Blyth
GREY, Elenor Daughter F 7 1904 Northumberland Blyth
GREY, Hilda Daughter F 5 1906 Northumberland Blyth
GREY, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Northumberland Blyth
GREY, Phyllis Gledson Daughter F 1 1910 Northumberland Blyth


Maureen

hmmmmm


there are two possible marriages on freebmd.org.uk for a John W* Grey and Margaret


Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)

DUFFY Henry S. Shields 10a 1048
GLADSTONE Margaret S.Shields 10a 1048
GREY John William S. Shields 10a 1048
RITCHIE Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 1048




Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)

Grey John William Tynemouth 10b 401
Jefferson Margaret Tynemouth 10b 401
Patterson James Tynemouth 10b 401
Walton Mary Tynemouth 10b 401





The second MIGHT be the one that you want


but it's better to get the birth certificate of one of the children first.


Births Dec 1905 (>99%)

Grey Hilda Tynemouth 10b 334



Births Jun 1910 (>99%)

GREY Phillis Gledson Tynemouth 10b 328





I've already given you the Eleanor one



sylvia

Hi

Eleanor Grey GRO Ref 10b 337

I have the birth certificate for the above ref, date of birth 20th June 1903 surely that means on her marriage certificate her age would be 19 as she would not turn 20 until 20th June 1923.

I am missing something here. On said birth certificate her mother was Margaret (NeeGledson) Grey and her father was John William Grey profession Coal Miner.

They are living at 8 Bowes Street which is Blyth Northumberland.

What do you all think.

Regards

Janice

You need the marriage cert for her parents and then this will confirm or not..

Hope this helps

x

Phyllis, the baby on the 1911, has Gledson as her middle name ..... and that is often an indication that it is a family name.



sylvia

.... and anyway, many of our ancestors didn't always tell the truth about their age on a marriage certificate!


She could well have stretched the truth by about 6 months!


How old was Robert when they married?


One spouse being quite a bit older than the other is often one reason why ages are changed.




sylvia

Hi

The spouse my grandfather was 24 on the marriage certificate, he was born 31 Aug 1899, so everything matches there.

Janice

Maureen

Thanks for the info on the 1911 Census.

If the birth certificate I have for Eleanor Grey turns out to be the right one it shows Margaret Gledson as her mother and John William Grey as her father.

It is just the age that is throwing me, marriage certificate on 3rd March 1923 she is 20 years old. Yet the birth certificate I have obtained has 20th June 1903 as her birth date meaning she would not be 20 until June 1923

Regards

Janice.

People lied about there age and still do! Especially us women tee hee!

You need the parents marriage certificate and this will answer your question...I hope

x

..I will have to decide which John William Grey and spouse to choose as the likely parents before I send for marriage certificate
.
More checks on the 1911 census are needed to pick up the fact John William Grey was a Bricklyer as his profession. If someone finds that then I am on a winner.

Anyone out there able to do check for me as do not have full membership and I have bought credits in the past only to find I have wasted my time and came up wrong.

Cheers all.

Janice

this one's occupation is Bricklayer -


HOUSEHOLD GREY JOHN WILLIAM M 1879 32 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY ELENOR F 1904 7 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY ELIZABETH F 1909 2 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY HILDA F 1906 5 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY MARGARET F 1883 28 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD GREY PHYLLIS GLEDSON F 1910 1 Tynemouth Northumberland

Hi Choccy

Thanks for that, with this info I am able to match it with earlier help and I would say Margaret Gledson is the obvious spouse for John William Grey. So the birth certificate for Eleanor that I already have must be the correct one as Margaret Gledson is her mother.

Eleanor must have told porkies on her wedding day making herself 20 years old.

Choccy you do not say what their address is on the 1911 census!

Kindest Regards

Janice