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Thought there might be a few, it still may be worth ordering the marriage cert...an Evans marrying an Evans in Welshpool at that time can't be all that common!

about 25 of them!!

Thanks LancashireAnn,

Maybe I have dismissed this too quickly, Berriew is only about 5 miles from Welshpool. Is there a John and Elizabeth Evans living around Welshpool on the 1881 census, if so they are not my family as Joshua shows up in 1881. It may then be worth ordering their marriage cert?

I hope this makes sense,

Cheers again,
Russ

using N Wales BMD the above marriage took place at Berriew, St Beuno. Don'y know the area but assume not too far from Welshpool

thanks lancashireAnn,

he has never been referred to as John in any documents that I know of, he was listed as Joshua even on his death certificate. But you really never know!

I have commissioned a friend to have a look for the relevent documents at the National Archives appertaining to his death (his foot/leg was crushed when he was hit by a train and he died a month after the accident) but I am doubtful we will find out more about his family - fingers crossed anyway!

Many thanks again for your continued help,
Russ

could Joshua also have been known as John?

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
Edwards Mary Leech Forden 11b 283 Scan available - click to view
>>>>EVANS Elizabeth Forden 11b 283 Scan available - click to view
>>>>EVANS John Forden 11b 283 Scan available - click to view
PUGH Evan Forden 11b 283 Scan available - click to view

Forden from 1870 was the reg district for Welshpool and eldest daughter was born in 1874

Thanks again rootgatherer and lancashireann,

It has never occurred to me that Joshua could have been born Clark! I do know that the 'Clarke' middle name was passed to the children. My gx2 uncle Charles has 'Charles Clarke Evans' on his gravestone.

I am almost certain (99.9%) that Elizabeth Evans married Albert Worsdale soon after Joshuas death and she is described as a widow on the marriage certificate.

Working from other trees is unfortunately all I have at the moment, I am having to see what is on them and then try to prove or disprove what they say.

Thanks again for your input and comments, it helps a lot,

Cheers,
Russ

are you positive that the Worsdale Evens marriage is yours?

Does it say Elizabeth formerly Evens previously (or lately) Evans ie giving 2 surnames - even if they were the same - as it would if she had been married twice - I assume Elizabeth was described as a widow

this may also be a daft question but just for confirmation I assume Elizabeth's father was also David a farmer on her marriage to Joshua?

edit - forget that last bit, I forgot you had not found that marriage

Russell, I don't think that Joshua and Mary Fleckney are actually your family that's why I posted that census.

You need to work from what you know rather than someone else's tree.

The 11a is the volume number and the 981 is the page number - so that means that the marriages of these people are on the same page - it doesn't mean that they married each other.

Have you considered that as both Joshua and Elizabeth have the Clark as a middle name that perhaps Joshua was born a Clark and his mother re-married to a Mr. Evans?

Hope this helps!

Thank you rootgatherer,

In between George and Mary I have Joshua b. c. 1849 and Naomi b. c. 1852 plus a Phoebi b. c. 1844 and David b. c. 1838. Unfortunately these came from someone elses tree and I don't know how they found these names.

I have looked on freebmd and have found and Elizabeth Evans 11a 981 and Joshua 11a 981 being married in Swansea in June 1874. These may be my gx2 grandfather and grandmother ie. the missing Joshua in the 1861 census and I may order the certificate. What does the 11a 981 mean....does this mean they married on the same day and at the same place? But if the parents are Joshua and Mary I may be on the right lines.

My gx2 grandfather and grandmother (Joshua Clark and Elizabeth Evans) have always put themselves as being born in Welshpool so I cant understand why if Joshua was actually born in Toddington.

This is driving me nuts,

Many thanks again,
Russ

Russell, That would mean that the Joshua in the 1861 census married at 17? Not impossible I know but maybe a bit unusual? Big age difference too between George and Mary which would normally indicate a second marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
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Evans Joshua Woburn 6 191
Fleckney Mary Woburn 6 191
France Mary Woburn 6 191
GARNER Sarah Woburn 6 191
HIDE Sarah Woburn 6 191
Hopkins James Woburn 6 191
Hopkins James Woburn 6 191
POWELL Thomas Woburn 6 191
PRICE William Woburn 6 191

Russell - unless this is a different couple, there doesn't seem to be a Joshua with them.

1861

Name: Joshua Evans
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: Flitwick, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Toddington
Town: Toddington
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Woburn
Sub-registration district: Toddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Evans 41 Gardener
Mary Evans 44
Elizth Evans 19
George Evans 14
Mary Evans 6
Eliza Evans 2
Mary A Buckingham 20 Lodger

Mary and all the children born Toddington.

Hi,

After a year I think I have had a breakthrough with the parents of Joshua. They may be Joshua Evans born circa 1820 in Toddington and Mary Fleckney born 03/11/1816 also in Toddington.

This information came from Elaine on the board but she has no further information. In any case I would like to order the marriage certificate and was hoping someone on the board could find any more details.

Many thanks in advance,
Russ

I have just received the marriage certificate (dated December 1889) for Albert Worsdale and Elizabeth Evens and yes lancashireann, you were absolutely correct, her father is mentioned.

But also, they are down as Evens and NOT Evans as I first thought which may make a difference as far as searching for the marriage certificate for Joshua and Elizabeth is concerned.

Elizabeth's fathers details are David Evens (deceased) and he was a farmer. I am hoping with anticipation that someone may be able to help with any further details for either the Evens or the Evans family.

Many thanks in advance and Merry Christmas,

Russ

Thank you!

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Beattie Jane Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
>>>>Evens Elizabeth Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
Garvin Thomas Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
>>>>WORSDALE Albert Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view

Thanks lancashireann and Andy,

I think I will order the marriage cert. Would it be possible to confirm the 1889 date for the marriage?

Cheers,

Russ

1891 England Census
about Albert Worsdale
Name: Albert Worsdale
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Worsdale 41
Elizabeth Worsdale 38
Joseph Worsdale 14
William Worsdale 12
James Worsdale 9
Charles Worsdale 7
Thomas Worsdale 4
Elizabeth Worsdale 18




Andy

I would have thought her father would be named. Most of the other entries for a 2nd marriage that I have seen seem to have that info

edit - if you do order that certificate I would just use Albert's name as Elizabeth is Evens in both freebmd & Lancs bmd