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I'm trying to find birth year for Rose Hannah Arter, born in Birmingham, so i can order her birth certificate, but the sources I have point to different birth years.
1901 census records her as 16, so birth year around 1884/5
She married my great grandfather Henry Deeley in 1954, aged 70 (according to the marriage certificate) so birth year around 1884/5
Her death is recorded in 1966, aged 84, so birth year around 1882.
I've searched through the 1880s on GReunited, and cannot find any Rose Hannah Arter born. FreeBMD also produces no results. Could it be that her birth wasn't registered?
I'd be very grateful for any suggestions...
If it helps, she married Frank Brooke in 1906

Have you found her in all possible censuses?

What is her age on her marriage to Frank Brooke?

Jill

For ref:



1911 census transcription details for: 2 Greenway Buildings Cattell Road Birmingham

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN18181 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED34 SN224


Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Deritend
Parish: Aston Enum. District: 34
Address: 2 Greenway Buildings Cattell Road Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

BROOKE, Frank Head Married
5 years M 30 1881 Cutlery Repairing Manchester Longsight
BROOKE, Rose Hannah Wife Married
5 years F 26 1885 Housework Birmingham Warwickshire
BROOKE, Rosina Ivy Daughter F 4 1907 Birmingham Warwickshire
BROOKE, Nellie Ruth Daughter F 0 (9 MONTH) 1911 Birmingham Warwickshire


Maureen

possible for rose in 1891.

Name: Ross Arter (rose on image)
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Arter 46 (widow born birmingham)
Fanny Arter 12
Ross Arter 6
Enoch Pike 48
Joseph Sylvester 60

richard

That's helpful Maureen.

I'd be inclined to "ignore" the age on the death cert. The other records are a little closer to the birth date and are more likely to be correct.

Wonder if she was an Hannah by birth ... ?

Jill

Of no use whatsoever - except to prove her name I suppose!

1901 England Census

Name: Rose H Arter
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston

John P McGauley 26
Mary McGauley 23
Rose H Arter 16

Hi

Just taken a look at the 1891 Census I'm sure it reads Rose and has been transcribed as Ross.

Cheryl x

Hi Jill,
I don't have the certificate for that marriage yet. Just going by FreeBMD.
1911 census has her as 26 yrs old, pointing to 1884/5 birth year.

Craig

Hi

Does it give her fathers name on the marriage certificate?

rgds
Cheryl x

There's something a little off here,I think. If she's the Rose with sister Fanny and mother Jane in 1891,then Jane also appears as a widow in 1881. Hmm.

Maureen

Thanks for all the info so far - didn't think of trying Ross as a possibility!

On the marriage cert from 1954 her father is down as Jim Arter

Can't see any Rose Hannah's for 1882 - 1885 for Birmingham, that might fit the bill.

I'm now trying Rosanna's in Warwickshire.

FreeBMD is taking its time though!

Jill

her sister was Fanny

Rosanna - 1882-1885 Birmingham - again, nothing obvious.

It won't let me do Warwickshire - overloads the system and you get one of those "too busy" messages.

Jill

maybe it would be worth getting fanny,s birth cert?.

Name: Fanny Arter
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 435

richard

This might be Fanny's birth:

Births Sep 1879 (>99%)

Arter Fanny King's N. 6c 435 Scan available - click to view



Jill

I'm posting a completely mad suggestion.

Going by the birth reg district for Fanny - and by the surnames listed with Rose and her mum in the 1891:-

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Silvester Rose King's N. 6c 457 Scan available - click to view


Probably completely wrong, but ...

Jill

Carter, yes, never thought of that. It's possible.
Jane Arter was born in Sedgbury, Staffordshire, as was West Brom.

Just found this in 1881 census

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HILLS Head M Male 67 London, Middlesex, England Milk Seller
Emma HILLS Wife M Female 31 Lindridge, Hereford, England Laundress
Arthur J.E. HILLS Son Male 16 m Kings Norton, Worcester, England
Jane ARTER Lodger W Female 36 Sedgborough, Worcester, England Charwoman
Mary Jane ARTER Lodger Daur Female 7 Denston, Derby, England
Fanny ARTER Lodger Daur Female 1 Kings Norton, Worcester, England

Looks like Jane could've been from Sedgborough and not Sedgbury, different counties, just very weird that she's recorded as a widow 4 years before Rose Hannah's birth

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Source Information:
Dwelling 116 Clifton Rd
Census Place Kings Norton, Worcester, England
Family History Library Film 1341706
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2948 / 46
Page Number 12