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I would so appreciate a fresh pair of eyes, as I'm going nuts trying to find this marriage record.

Info I have is:

Cuthbert G. White married a lady from Appleton, Berks, with the maiden name of HOLIFIELD. I guess this could have been as early as 1890.

They had a daughter Dorothy A. White, who married Joseph W. Mitty on 30 May 1942 in Appleton, Berks (Abingdon reg. district vol 2c p 971). Dorothy was aged 19 or 20.

I found Dorothy White's birth record: Dec Q 1922, Abingdon Vol 2c page 481. Mother's maiden name HOLIFIELD - which is what I expected to find.

The Holifields were based in and around Appleton, Cumnor, Fyfield, for generations, and I believe that Dorothy's mother was from this same family.

Dorothy's mother's first name is possibly Catherine or a variation of this; she was apparently known as Kit (according to a letter I have from a Great Aunt, written in the 1970s, however I am not accepting it as gospel as she has made mistakes with other names).

However, despite searching FreeBMD from 1890 to 1940 in 'All counties', I cannot find a record of a Holifield - White marriage for a Cuthbert White marrying a Holifield.

I guess they might not have been married, but they are 'Mr & Mrs Cuthbert G. White' on Dorothy's wedding invitation.

They lived at The Stores (the Post Office) in Appleton, Berks at the time of the wedding (1942).

Ultimately, I'm trying to find how the Whites and Holifields were related. Just to make matters more complicated, I have found a marriage record in FreeBMD of Sarah Elizabeth Holifield marrying William Alfred White in Mar Q 1893, Abingdon district.

I realise there are plenty of opportunities for mis-spellings and mis-transcriptions here, and that Ms. Holifield could have been married before she married Cuthbert (presumably in this case 'Holifield' would still be recorded as her maiden name as Dorothy's mother).

I hope this all makes sense, and will be most grateful for any suggestions.

Thank you,

Liz

Name: Cuthbert G White
Spouse Surname: Holifield
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Registration district: Abingdon
Registration county (inferred): Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 817
Find Spouse: HOLIFIELD, Catherine

Maybe she was married before
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As joy has found the marriage..what makes you think they married in the 1890's

Joy, Thank you SO much.

Don't know why I couldn't find it.

Julie - I was just trying every possible date range and thought that 1890 was about the earliest they could have married.

1920 makes much more sense!

Many many thanks
Liz

Found that one at Ancestry (1916-2055 transcribed).

Some years are districts are still to be transcribed at FreeBMD.

I just wonder because on the census he is down as born 1886

Julie, Thanks for census info. Which census were you looking at, please?

I haven't had time to look him up, but will do so. I have basic subs to Ancestry so can check him out on there myself.

Thank you again, both of you, for your help.

Liz

1911 Census

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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WHITE, Jane Head Widow F 69 1842 Fyfield Berks VIEW
WHITE, Frederick Stedman Son Widower M 49 1862 Blacksmith Appleton Berks VIEW
WHITE, Chamberlain Son Single M 31 1880 Church Bellhanger Bessels Leigh Berks VIEW
>>>>>>>>>WHITE, Cuthbert George Son Single M 25 1886 Church Bellhanger Appleton Berks VIEW
CLANFIELD, Edmund Boarder Widower M 61 1850 Shoeing Smith Eaton Berks VIEW
PARKER, Elizabeth Sister Widow F 72 1839 Fyfield Berks VIEW
WHITE, Albert Grandson M 13 1898 School Bessels Leigh Berks VIEW
WHITE, William Grandson M 11 1900 School Bessels Leigh Berks VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6450 Reference:
RG14PN6450 RD117 SD1 ED3 SN117

Registration District:
Abingdon Sub District:
Fyfield EnumerationDistrict:
3 Parish:
Appleton with Eaton

Address:
Bell Cottage Appleton Avington Berkshire County:
Berkshire

Here the 1891..he is also on the 1901


Cuthbert G White
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Appleton, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Appleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Appleton
Town: Appleton
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick White 57
Jane White 49
Frederick S White 28
Eleanor White 24
Emma White 18
Richard White 13
Chamberlain White 11
Fred White 9
Arthur H White 7
Cuthbert G White 5
Alice Banter 17
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1901

Cuthbert G White
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Appleton, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Appleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Appleton St Lawrence
Town: Appleton
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick White 67
Jane White 60
Chamberlain White 21
Fred White 18
Arthur H White 19
Cuthbert G White 15
Edmond Clandfield 51


Fredericks Occ on both is a Church Bell Hanger
Cuthberts looks like Apprentice to Bell Hanging

How brilliant!

I am so pleased to see confirmation of the family story that they were bell-hangers. I just wanted to understand the connection.

They are a very well-known family for this craft, in fact they are still in Appleton to this day.

Wow!

Once again, thank you.

Liz

1911 for Catherine Holifield?

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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HOLIFIELD, George Head Married M 52 1859 Plumber Glazier And House Painter Berks Appleton VIEW
HOLIFIELD, Catherine Wife Married
22 years F 45 1866 Berks Appleton VIEW
HOLIFIELD, George Son Single M 20 1891 Plumber Glazier And House Painter Berks Appleton VIEW
HOLIFIELD, William Son Single M 17 1894 Engine Filter Berks Appleton VIEW
>>>>>>>>HOLIFIELD, Catherine Daughter Single F 15 1896 Monitress Elementary School Teacher Berks Appleton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6450 Reference:
RG14PN6450 RD117 SD1 ED3 SN77

Registration District:
Abingdon Sub District:
Fyfield EnumerationDistrict:
3 Parish:
Appleton with Eaton

Address:
The Tidelands Appleton Abington Berkshire County:
Berkshire

Gosh, Joy, yes - it all fits together now.

I am overwhelmed that you have looked up the details on the 1911 census for me. That is above the call of duty, but most generous!

Thank you - it would have taken me hours to make that connection with the other Holifields.

Liz

I can't see a birth for a Cuthbert...so wondered if George is his Birth name


George White
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Abingdon
County: Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 236 (click to see

Not a problem now I have subscription and I've found most of my lot.

If only i could pin down my very elusive Great-Grandfather for definite in 1911, he's not where he should be that's for sure. I think I have him thanks to recent info from an Uncle......If he's the man I've found he's telling fibs.

Wicked..there are 2 marriages coming up for a Frederick with a Jane in the Qtr

but using the census i i have discounted one of them as the Jane married Mr Hadley in the Qtr

So this im 99.9% sure this is right

Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Barrett Jane Abingdon 2c 381
White Frederick Abingdon 2c 381
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yes that worked out correct lol

Jane Barrett
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Fyfield, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Tubney
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
William Alder 66
Elizabeth Alder 60
Frederick Alder 30
Moses Grainger 18
William Barrett 16
Jane Barrett 9
Eliza Beckley 19
George Busbey 15
Matthew Painter 38

Oh my goodness, this is more info than I ever expected. Thank you Julie, for finding Frederick and Jane.

Also interesting in that household is George Busbey ... the Busb(e)ys were also related to the Holifields, so I must look into that one.

Joy, all the best with your search for your elusive Gt. Grandfather.

I must put this lot into my tree now!

Thanks again, Liz

Here's a little more for you Liz

Christening at Fyfield
Jane Barrett
19 ? 1841 (probably Sept or Oct)
daughter of John a carpenter and Harriett

Marriage at Fyfield

17 Feb 1859
Frederick White bachelor full age Blacksmith/Bessesleigh
Jane Barrett full age spinster
Witnesses: William Barrett and Rosina Barrett
Fathers: Alfred White a Wheelwright
John Barrett a Blacksmith

Unfortunately the disc for Appleton only goes up to 1839 so can't help there

Hi Bee,

Thanks so much for your additional information, which I have now added to my tree.

I had no idea my request would generate so much interest and so many offers of help!

Thanks also to Margaret Rose, who is now kindly looking into the Busby side of the family for me.

Liz