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Now it all makes sence the pieces are going together thankyou Sylvia and Rose i now have some more digging to doo your help has been fantastic

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Daniel Terrell
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 33
District: Medway (1837-1941)
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 394 (click to see others on page)




sylvia

having a baby with her step-brother, strictly speaking, would not be illegal or anything because they are not related by blood


but a marriage between them might not have been pleasing to their parents.


and she wouldn't have been able to marry again in 1895 ...... unless Daniel had died before then.



sylvia

Well, there aren't that many Daniel Tyrells. Seems the likely choice.

Rose

HELP Hello could that mean that Henriettas child Elsie born in 1893 was to her step brother i have re read the birth certificate and it dose say Daniell Tyrrell father Her madin name was Blishen But they were never married I am a bit confuised was the baby Elsie 09.09.1893 Elsies name on the birth certificate is Elsie Tyrrell Blishen I just can't wrap my head around this one thankyou for some input If they wern't married or were they and i can't find it Could this be my brick wall

Thankyou to all so thats where she was thanks so much for all your help

He's in the Navy in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Daniel Terrell
Name: Daniel Terrell
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Member of Crew (Member)
Gender: Male
Where born: Banbury, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Royal Navy
Town: Brompton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: Pembroke a

Rose

And she had a son Daniel:

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Terrell
Name: Elizabeth Terrell
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 32 Parkside St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laundress (WS)

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Terrell 48
Daniel Terrell 14

Rose

This is where the Terrell name comes in.........


George married Elizabeth Terrell in 1882:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Blishen
Name: George Blishen
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Terrell
Spouse Age: 52
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1882
Parish: St Mary, Battersea
County: London
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: William Blishen
Spouse Father Name: John King

Rose

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Eliza Frances Blishen
Name: Eliza Frances Blishen
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jun 1867
Father's Name: George Blishen
Mother's Name: Eliza Blishen
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Rose

Name Record Type Date Parent Names Parish/Poor Law Union Borough
Ann Blishen Baptism 20 Mar 1882 George Peter Blishen,
Eliza Blishen St Philip, Battersea Wandsworth

Georgina Jane Blishen Baptism 20 Mar 1882 George Peter Blishen,
Eliza Blishen St Philip, Battersea Wandsworth

Henrietta Blishen Baptism 20 Mar 1882 George Peter Blishen,
Eliza Blishen St Philip, Battersea Wandsworth


Address is 16, Broughton St.



Rose

Here she is in 1891:

Image says Blisham:

1891 England Census
about Hetty Basham
Name: Hetty Basham
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Holdenhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Bournemouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Dorry 47
Eliza Dorry 46
Hilda J Loeffler 13
Dora S Loeffler 9
Edmund Wilson 38
Florence Wilson 32
Hetty Basham 18
John Webster 15
William W Withall 27
Mary Louisa Withall 20

Rose

Eliza's death:

Deaths Dec 1879
Blishen Eliza 38 Guildford 2a 40

Rose

Not sure why the 1881 census says John P:

1871 England Census
about Frances Blishew
Name: Frances Blishew
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
George Blishew 36
Eliza Blishew 27
Frances Blishew 3
Ann Blishew 4 months

Rose

This one was born in Fulham.

1901 England Census
about Hatty Cave
Name: Hatty Cave
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles W
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Stepney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members: Name Age
Charles W Cave 43
Hatty Cave 30
Ellie Cave 7
William Cave 5
Annie Cave 3
Dorothy Cave 1


Rose

Is this who you mean ?


1881 -

BLISHAM, John P Head Widower M 45 1836 Steam Stone Sawer
Guildford
Surrey VIEW
BLISHAM, Francis E Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
London
Middlesex VIEW
BLISHAM, Ann Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
BLISHAM, Henrietta Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
BLISHAM, Georgina J Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
650 Folio:
41 Page:
20

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Battersea Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Battersea Municipal Borough:
Address:
16, Broughton St, Battersea County:
Surrey


Father John is a Widower and Francis E (Frances E) is his daughter.



This doesn't look like the Henrietta who married Charles Cave in 1895. Her father's name was Robert, whose occupation was a Smith.



If this is not the correct Henrietta in 1881, could you please post the one you are referring to.

Hi my Henrietta is John and Francis daughter i just can't find her Thankyou fro your help

Hetty's mum worked in a Chandlers Shop in 1891.

Originally, this would have meant selling candles - later the term meant merchant, as in corn-chandler - now-a-days I've only heard it as a shortening of ships-chandler. I've no idea of the time-line I'm describing.

this is the Georgina who also married in 1895 - different father - so probably not sister of Henrietta -



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Georgina Blishen
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Sidney George Martin
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Jul 1895
Parish: St Mary, Kilburn
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: George Blishen (deceased) - occupation: Mason
Spouse Father Name: James Martin



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary, Kilburn, Register of marriages, P81/MRY, Item 008

Thank you for that