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...............yet when I checked his birth certificate it say's father unknown.


So you DO have his birth cert.
Then please tell us ALL the information written on it referring to child, parents, date, location, occupation etc.

Sarah Scott had son Frederick James Scott 1893 in Wakefield.

1891 Sarah Scott born Skipton 1868 was with Frederick C Scott born 1852 Scotland he was a stone mason and she was living on own means .
1891 Skipton District 15 image 10.

So was Sarah married previously?

I know it doesn't help,but thought i would post it anyway.

I can't find the relavant marriage though,I did find Frederick Scott born @ 1851 died 1893 Wakefield.

Maryb

Louise

Please just clear up one point for us - do you have Clifford's birth cert? Or not..........that's all we need to know at the moment

I suspect that your reference to 'no father's name' was actually about Clifford's marriage cert.....is that correct?

Michael
Please read my last post. I am not holding any info back. What would be the point when I am trying to find info?

I really am not wanting to annoy anyone and like I said before I really do appreciate peoples time and help with this
Thanks

How can you have Spencer's mother named as Sarah Robinson.... are you saying you have his birth cert too ?

Why are you holding back information from Clifford's birth certificate when it could help find the answers to your question ?

You'll have to be a bit more co-operative or you'll find the helpers will lose patience and move on to help someone else instead.

Oh my word I am so rubbish at this. Sorry to you all for the confusion!
I shall speak with my father over the weekend and get as much detail as I can. Clifford was my fathers dad so he may know more.
As soon as I get the info I shall be back on this forum asking for your help again (don't bother I hear you sall say). Seriously though I really do appreciate everyones help and responses.
Many thanks

Are you basing your assumption about his birth on this?

Name: Clifford Robinson
Birth Date: 27 May 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1987
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1297


Are you 100% cast-iron certain that this was your grandfather?

Not doubting you - just trying to ensure you look at the right line

Please look again at Clifford's birth certificate and tell us exactly when and where he was born.
Are you sure that Spencer was born @ 1871 in burnley as there were others born around the Skipton area.

You say they were all living together at the same address,when and where was this.

Sorry for all the questions but we need to know what you know.

Maryb

We can't help you properly if you don't answer our questions

We need from you the FULL details of Clifford's birth.

So - are you now saying you DON'T have his birth cert?

And you can't say Spencer was his father without PROOF

I have Clifford born 27.05.1913 in Skipton and died in 1987, Wakefield

I am confused now. Cliffords father Spencer, born 1871, married a lady named Amelia Smith.
I have Spencers mother named as Sarah Robinson and not his wife.
I think I am confusing the situation!!!

I have a bit of info from previous but not as much as what I have rec'd today. I never realised Spencer was a widow. It looks lilke Amelia Smith was his housekeeper and he obviously got together with her.. So was Clifford Amelia's son or someone else's? Talk about frustration

So Sarah died before 1911 yet she had Clifford 1913,or if it was 1910 where is he in 1911?

Maryb

You say you have Clifford's birth cert.
Can you share the info please.

Clifford's full name ?
Date?
Mother? ( both names if there's more than one)

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
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HININGS Frederick Skipton 9a 69
PASSEY Clara Ellen Skipton 9a 69
ROBINSON Spencer Skipton 9a 69 ***********
Scott Sarah Skipton 9a 69 **************

1911 for the chap whose wife in 1901 was SARAH

1911 census - household transcription
Person: ROBINSON, Spencer
Address: 6 Walton St Keighley Road Skipton

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ROBINSON, Spencer Head Widower M 41 1870 Plate Layer Burnley Lanch VIEW
ROBINSON, Arther Son M 13 1898 School Skipton Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Alma Son M 11 1900 School Skipton Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Janet Daughter F 10 1901 School Skipton Yorkshire VIEW
SCOTT, Fredrick James Son Single M 17 1894 Cotton Weaver Wakefield Yorkshire VIEW
ASHTON, John Boarder Single M 50 1861 Cotton Weaver Preston Lancashire VIEW
SMITH, Amelia Housekeeper Widow F 39 1872 House Keeper Bolton Lancshire VIEW ***********
SMITH, Edna Daughter F 1 1910 Burnley Lancshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25804 Reference:
RG14PN25804 RG78PN1486 RD485 SD5 ED14 SN159

Registration District:
Skipton Sub District:
Skipton Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Skipton

Address:
6 Walton St Keighley Road Skipton County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

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Marriages Dec 1897 .

HININGS Frederick Skipton 9a 69
PASSEY Clara Ellen Skipton 9a 69
............ROBINSON Spencer Skipton 9a 69
.............Scott Sarah Skipton 9a 69



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Is this your Spencer, marrying again after Clifford was born ?


Marriages Sep 1915
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Robinson Spencer - Smith Skipton 9a 64
Smith Amelia - Robinson Skipton 9a 64
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It would therefore seem that Sarah had an extra-marital relationship which produced Clifford

EDIT - Clearly not the same Sarah, based on 1911 (below)

Could you give the birth reg'n record details, please

The only one I can see in Skipton is 1910

1901 census has a Spencer Robinson, born 1871 in Burnley - living in Skipton, with a wife named Sarah.

Her name was previously Scott .

Thanks for your replies
Clifford was born in 1913, Skipton. They all lived at the same address including Spencer.

Fathers' names were often invented by illegitimate children - a matter of shame.

Where and when was Clifford born?