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I would be very greateful if anyone can help me. I have the 7 children of Gerald and Kate Duval (often spelled Du Val), from Chorlton Lancs. I know what happened to the parents, but the children seem to have vanished. ! I've found that Bessie Duval married her cousin George Kipping in Oct-Dec 1896 - can't find either of them in 1901 or 1911 censuses. Lucy Emma Duval married Oct-Dec 1898, I'm pretty sure to Edmund Nicholson - again cannot find them in censuses. Bartram Duval married another cousin, Margaret Shimwell (born c.1879) in Stockport Apr-Jun 1902. Again - I can't find them in the 1911 census. Any advice where else to look would be much appreciated.

DN VAL, Bartram Head Married M 34 1877 Clerk Insurance Lancashire Manchester VIEW
DN VAL, Margaret Wife Married
8 years F 32 1879 Lancs Manchester VIEW
DN VAL, Patrick Son Single M 8 1903 Cheshire Cheadle Hulme VIEW
DN VAL, Hope Daughter Single F 6 1905 Cheshire Cheadle Hulme VIEW
COPLAND, Elizabeth Duprey None Single F 33 1878 None Domestic Ayrshire Catrine VIEW
MARKS, Eleanor Servant Married F 30 1881 Cook General Servant Domestic Lancashire Peel Green VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21431 Reference:
RG14PN21431 RG78PN1275 RD443 SD8 ED3 SN48

Registration District:
Stockport Sub District:
Cheadle Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Stockport Etchells

Address:
Pym Gate House Styal Road Cheadle County:
Cheshire

Thanks so much Brummejan for finding Bartram - don't know why I couldn't trace him.

I do! Very tricky. Had to use freesearch using just 1st name and year of marriage!
Jan

Nicky, can you put year and place of birth for all of them please?
Jan

Allen Duval c. Dec 1866
Lucy Emma Duval Mar1869
Gerald S Duval Dec 1870 (I found that he died aged 27 Mar 1898)
Bessie S Duval Dec 1872
Blanche Duval Mar 1875 (she married Norman Melland and I found them OK in 1901 and 1911)
Bartram Duval Mar 1877 and Denis Mar 1879.
In 1901 census Bartram and Denis were at home with their widowed mother at 284 Dickenson Road, Rusholme. She was there alone in 1911 census.
Incidentally, I've now found Bartram in 1911, putting in the address you gave me, and have told 'Find My Past' about the transcription error. Nicky

Sorry : place of birth: I think they are all Chorlton.

Nicky, stumped with the others I'm afraid! Where on eath can they be?
Jan

I'd specially like to know what happened to Bessie Du Val after she married George Kipping, Chorlton Dec 1896. She was an artist and I have got a book with illustrations by Bessie Duval who I'm sure must be her (the dates and location fit). I'd live to know if she continued her art after her marriage. Anway, any help VERY much appreciated. Nicky

Where indeed? I wonder if they all emigrated en masse.... Perhaps a relative will turn up one day on Genes Reunited.. Thanks for your attempts and at least I've got Bartram now. Thanks again. Nicky

According to lancs BMD Lucy did marry Edmund. There is this entry but age for Lucy is out

1901 England Census
about Edmund Nicholson
Name: Edmund Nicholson
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Millom, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Millom
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bootle (Cumberland)
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund Nicholson 25
Lucy Nicholson 26
Henry Nicholson 2
Jessie Nicholson 3 Mo


and 1911

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD NICHOLSON EDMUND M 1876 35 Bootle Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD NICHOLSON ERNEST M 1910 1 Bootle Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD NICHOLSON HARRY M 1899 12 Bootle Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD NICHOLSON JESSIE F 1901 10 Bootle Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD NICHOLSON LUCY F 1875 36 Bootle Cumberland




Andy

Many thanks Andy. In the meantime I had a look at some passenger lists. Only one I could find was a "Mr Allan Du Val" (quite unusual name so fairly sure he must be our man): went to Sierra Leone from Liverpool on 26 June 1897 on SS Dahomey. Unfortunately no further details. Nicky

Nice one Andrew:

1911

NICHOLSON, Edmund Head Married M 35 1876 Engine Fitter Millom Cumbd VIEW
NICHOLSON, Lucy Wife Married
12 years F 36 1875 Kirby in Furness Lancs VIEW
NICHOLSON, Harry Son M 12 1899 School Millom Cumbd VIEW
NICHOLSON, Jessie Daughter F 10 1901 School Millom Cumbd VIEW
NICHOLSON, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Millom Cumbd VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31544 Reference:
RG14PN31544 RG78PN1812 RD578 SD2 ED9 SN195

Registration District:
Bootle Sub District:
Bootle Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Millom

Address:
42 Lonsdale Road Millom County:
Cumberland

Possible death for Bessie

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Bessie Kipping
Name: Bessie Kipping
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 335

Andy

Phone and address for Bessie??

British Phone Books, 1880-1984
about .Bessie Kipping
Name: .Bessie Kipping
Address: 136 Grove Rd
Exchange: Sutton.VIGilnt
Directory title: Outer London: Kent / Surrey
Publication Year: 1959
Directory County: Kent, Surrey
Page Number: 9382


Andy

Possible death for Lucy

Deaths Jun 1931 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nicholson Lucy E 56 Bootle 10b 763


Andy

Glad she didn't die young!
I couldn't quite believe that Lucy Nicholson was the same person - but I've been looking at all the Edmund Nicholson marriages around that time and only one of them married a Lucy so I suppose it must be right, despite the incorrect information in the census as to her date and place of birth. Many thanks Andrew and Jan. I'm off to my bed now and will get back on to the thread tomorrow. Nicky

If you google "Bessie KIpping"-there's an article in the British Medical Journal (all the way at the end of the page) that mentions the death of a Mrs Temple Smith-a daughter Audrey and sisters Bessie Kipling and Blanche Norman Melland .

Can't quite pin down just who Mrs Temple Smith is,though!

Maureen

??
1911 census transcription details for: Nursing Home Chorlton - Upon - Medlock,

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN23850 RG78PN1379 RD464 SD3 ED22 SN14


Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Chorlton upon Medlock
Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 22
Address: 7 20 24 and 26 York Place Chorlton - upon - Medlock
County: Lancashire
SMITH, Audrey Temple Daughter F 10 1901 School Mount Morgan North Queensland Australia

1911 census transcription details for: Nursing Home Chorlton - Upon - Medlock,

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN23850 RG78PN1379 RD464 SD3 ED22 SN14


Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Chorlton upon Medlock
Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 22
Address: 7 20 24 and 26 York Place Chorlton - upon - Medlock
County: Lancashire
SMITH, Lucy Temple Head Of Institution Married F 42 1869 Matron Manchester Lancs


Maureen

1899-The print was little hard to read......
Smith-Du Val,-On April 1st,at Rockhampton,Queensland,by the Rev. A. H. ???/
Edwin Charles Temple Smith ...... of Mount Morgan,son of Henry Smith of Edgbaston,Birmingham,to Lucy (Dolly) daughter of the late Gerard Du Val of Rusholme,Manchester,England.

Found by googling
British medical journal - Google Books Result
1899 - Medical
Edwin Charles Temple Smith, MB, MRCSEng.. of Mount Morgan, ...
books.google.com/books?id=JU0BAAAAYAAJ...

Maureen