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Hi Gail not sure if we've had contact before but my gt grandmother was "Helen" Addison
Helen was born 22nd June 1891 at 8 Iris Street Kirkdale to parents Pearson George Addison & Mary Ann Jones ...her name on B/C is Elizabeth Ellen Addison...she is also christened as Elizabeth Ellen
A 10 year old "NELLY" is on 1901 census living with her uncle Thomas Addison at Luke Street Toxteth Park
Helen Addison married Edward Thomas Howard in 1912 at Stanley St Annes

my grandfather Edward Thomas Howard was born in 1916 & his mothers name is HELEN Addison

I believe her family called her Nelly ....my auntie never knew her christian name ...they called her nanny Howard !!!

I have only been able to find a death of a NELLIE Howard 1Q 1969 Liverpool S ....age 74

hope that helps
Mandy

Nudging up to see if anyone can locate Helen on 1901 and 1911 census please

Thanks ............... Gail

this is the nearest I can find in 1911

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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ALLISON, James Head Married M 41 1870 Public House Manager Parish Brough VIEW
ALLISON, Eleanor Wife Married
12 years F 49 1862 Carlisle Westmoreland VIEW
ALLISON, Maud Daughter F 11 1900 School Lanc Liverpool VIEW
ALLISON, Arthur Watson Son M 10 1901 School Lanc Liverpool VIEW
ADDISON, Ellen Servant Single F 19 1892 Domestic Lanc Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22197 Reference:
RG14PN22197 RG78PN1313 RD453 SD3 ED23 SN10

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Abercromby Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Liverpool

Address:
44 Mount Pleasant Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Thanks Michael and Victoria.....appreciate your time

I think I will give up on this and not add her to my tree....particularly as not in any census to link her to the family

Thanks again

Gail

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson George Liverpool 8b 177

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson Liverpool 8b 31

Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson Liverpool 8b 15

This is probably the deaath of the second Pearson at age 6
Deaths Jun 1873 (>99%)
Addison Pearson 6 West Derby 8b 235

probaly son of Pearson G and Mary
Deaths Sep 1887 (>99%)
Addison Pearson George 0 W. Derby 8b 299

If she was Elizabeth's daughter then her name at birth could have been Ashton.

Does Elizabeth and Pearson's marriage cert say that she was a widow ?

Hi Michael

yes Pearson did marry twice
I have the details of him and both wives and other children

My sticking point is whether Helen is a daughter (which other people have in their tree). I cannot see a birth or a record of Helen in any census, so I don't know if she is in fact a daughter

To add to the confusion, there were more than 1 Pearson born about the time, so Helen's marriage cert details would still not ensure that she in fact a duaghter of 'my' Pearson

If I could locate on a census it may make things clearer

I live in hope!!!

Thanks again

Gail

Could it be that Pearson Addison married twice ?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885

ADDISON Pearson G --JONES Mary
Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897

ADDISON Pearson G - ASHTON Elizabeth A
Bootle, St John South Sefton

You need to obtain Helen's marriage cert. See what age she is and work backwards from there.

Possible ?

Births Jun 1889

Addison Ellen - W. Derby 8b 336

nudging up to see if anyone can locate birth or census info (cheeky I know!)

Am still loathe to put in my tree as yet

Thanks

Thanks Victoria....appreciate your time

in 1901 Ernest G Addison was a patient in hospital
Florence sent to Canada in 1908
this would imply that Helen was living with another family or relative
her first child was Ernest G Howard (maybe named after her brother)

Florence ADDISON
Date of departure: 14 May 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Children
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 21

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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:

CORSICAN
124191
Edmd Outram
Allan Line Steamship Co Ltd
Montreal, Canada
31294
7298
798

Good thinking!! He was a railway porter in 1891, 1901 and died in 1908...so certificate may say deceased railway porter?

Is still strange that I cannot find birth for Helen or no records of her on any census though.

the certificate should have father's occupation on as well, so unless both Pearson Addison's had the same occupation you should be able to match up with census

it should also give address
the witnesses might give a clue as well

Sorry Victoria, I had the marriage details but not the certificate

The father of the other siblings is Pearson Addison, however there are 2 Pearson's born in the area with near birth dates, so I guess marriage cert would still not let us know for certain

I am also unable to locte her on census, yet have the other siblings!

Thanks for your help

Gail

ok if you have the marriage cert, what is her father's name on it?

If I could find the birth then yes I could get a certificate Lyndsey...thanks

Thanks Victoria, I had the marriage details

Gail

what about this one

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Addison Elizabeth Ellen W. Derby 8b 361

Ellen-->Helen???

have you got the marriage cert?

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
Addison Helen Howard W. Derby 8b 798
Howard Edward T Addis[eo]n W. Derby 8b 798