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Help please - HILDEBRANDT c: 1840 Germany

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Pam

Pam Report 26 Jul 2010 08:23

Elizabeth Annie HILDEBRANDT.
I am searching for any information about this woman please.

I do not know where she was born (c.1840), but she lived in Victoria, Australia, and died in 1915. She married Richard Davis, Feb 25th, 1862, in Castlemaine, Victoria.
They had at least one child, a daughter Elizabeth 1868-1945, who married Charles (Carl) ROSENHAIN in Castlemaine,
Victoria on Nov 20th 1885.

Many thanks, Pam

Vicci

Vicci Report 26 Jul 2010 08:59

do you have her death certificate, it usually gives alot of info about her family eg parents, where she was born, how long in Australia etc

her marriage cert should also give parents names

??? Castlemaine NSW or do you mean Victoria????

Vicci

Vicci Report 26 Jul 2010 09:02

search for BMD's in VIC https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

Gael

Gael Report 26 Jul 2010 09:03

Possible birth ???

Name: Elisabeth Hildebrandt
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 May 1840
Baptism/Christening Place: Putzig, Westpreußen, Preußen, Germany
Father's Name: Joseph Hildebrandt
Mother's Name: Marianna Kaschnb
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03654-8
System Origin: Germany-EASy
Source Film Number: 531387
Reference Number: 70
Collection: Germany Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898

added: but take Victoria's advice for a marriage cert for parents names.

Pam

Pam Report 26 Jul 2010 12:30

Thanks Gael, that's a good start.

trudianne

trudianne Report 26 Jul 2010 13:17

Hi Pam,

I presume you have these details, if you get their marriage certificate it should give details of parents names. If you go to the website that Victoria gave you, you can download an image direct to your computer for about $A20.00.

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Richard
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Hildebrandt
Spouses Given Names: Elizabeth
Year: 1862
Reg No: 91

the children of the above marriage

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Eliza Hilderbrandt
Birthplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1863
Reg No: 13164

and her death

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Elizabeth Hilderbrand
Age: 9
Deathplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1873
Reg No: 6362

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Richard
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Elizabeth Hilderbrandt
Birthplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1866
Reg No: 1172

and his death

Surname: Davis
Names: Richard
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Elizth Hilderbrent
Deathplace: Malvern
Age: 57
Yr: 1923
Reg No: 2230

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Annie Katharina
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Eliza Hilderbrandt
Birthplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1870
Reg No: 7522

and her death

Surname: Davis
Names: Annie Catherine
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Name: Elizabeth Hilderbrand
Age: 20 mths
Deathplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1871
Reg No: 7958

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Catherine Jane
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Elizabeth Hildebrandt
Birthplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1872
Reg No: 1263

and sadly her death too

Surname: Davis
Names: Catherine Jane
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Richard
Mothers Names: Elizabeth Hilderbrandt
Age: 2
Deathplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1875
Reg No: 6065

I have been unable to find a marriage of Elizabeth to Charles/Carl Rosenhain, or any children born, but found her death

Surname: Rosenhain
Given Names: Elizabeth
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Davis
Fathers Name: Richd
Mothers Names: Rubina E Hildebrande
Deathplace: East Brighton
Age: 77
Year: 1946
Reg No: 230

??????????????Possibility of Elizabeth's mothers death

Surname: Davis
Given Names: Elizabeth
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Unknown
Mothers Names: Unknown
Age: 78
Deathplace: Castlemaine
Yr: 1910
Reg No: 999

trudianne

trudianne Report 26 Jul 2010 13:41

Pam,

I have checked and have been unable to find a death of Elizabeth in 1915, do you have her death certificate, or is it just what family have told you?

All the previous information that I sent was found in Victoria.

Pam

Pam Report 26 Jul 2010 23:44

Thank you so much for your help.

No, all family history but little was said about Victoria either! I knew some of the family were there ofcourse, but hadn't found the connection as to why.

I also knew they had one daughter, called Elizabeth also, and she married Charles Rosenhain. Together they had five kids and my Grandpa was one of them.

Now if only I could get some info about how she came to be in Australia in the first place?

Thanks so much for your generousity in finding this for me.

P

Vicci

Vicci Report 27 Jul 2010 00:00

not Elizabeth but a relative maybe?????

Juliane Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Age: 16
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg
Ship: Hamburgh
Nationality: Netherlander



Source: PROV, VPRS 7667, Inward Overseas Passenger Lists (Foreign Ports) [Microfiche Copy of VPRS 947]

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc., 2009.
Original data:

# Victoria. Inward Overseas Passenger Lists (British Ports). Microfiche VPRS 7666, copy of VRPS 947. Public Record Office Victoria, North Melbourne, Victoria.

# Victoria. Inward Overseas Passenger Lists (Foreign Ports). Microfiche VPRS 7667, copy of VRPS 947. Public Record Office Victoria, North Melbourne, Victoria.

# Victoria. Inward Overseas Passenger Lists (New Zealand Ports). Microfiche VPRS 13439, copy of VRPS 947. Public Record Office Victoria, North Melbourne, Victoria.

# Victoria. Register of Assisted Immigrants from the United Kingdom. Microfiche VPRS 14. Public Record Office Victoria, North Melbourne, Victoria.

Vicci

Vicci Report 27 Jul 2010 00:05

T H H Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 19 Mar 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg, Germany
Ship: Hamburgh

Vicci

Vicci Report 27 Jul 2010 00:16

Joseph Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Age: 30
Arrival Date: 31 Jan 1854
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg, Germany
Ship: Johan Cesar

Jacob Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Age: 39
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg
Ship: Hamburgh
Nationality: German

Jacob Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Age: 32
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg
Ship: Hamburgh
Nationality: Netherlander

Ph Hildebrandt
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Age: 37
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1855
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Hamburg
Ship: Hamburgh
Nationality: German

Pam

Pam Report 27 Jul 2010 00:53

WOW! Thanks for all of that, I don't know if they are related
or not but will certainly hang on to all that wonderful info
until I work it all out.

Thanks again, as they say, "everything is out there if you
just know where to look".

Thanks again, P

Vicci

Vicci Report 27 Jul 2010 01:57

come back when you've got Elizabeth's marriage cert and maybe her death cert.

Gael

Gael Report 27 Jul 2010 02:17

Have you tried this site

http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmau.htm

Pam

Pam Report 27 Jul 2010 04:23

I haven't but I certainly will now.

Thanks

trudianne

trudianne Report 27 Jul 2010 08:30

Pam,

Can you give me the name of your grandfather, date of birth & his place of death & date, then maybe we can trace more details from there.

Pam

Pam Report 8 Aug 2010 01:45

Thanks for this generous offer trudianne, this is what I have so far - x

the parents of my Grandfather on my father's side -

Charles Albert ROSENHAIN, b: Feb 5th 1864, probably Castlemaine, Victoria, d: April 11th, 1938 Adelaide.
married: Elizabeth DAVIS b: March 16th,1868 - Castlemaine, d:1945, Victoria

Elizabeth's parents - Richard DAVIS b:circa 1840 - perhaps UK? d: circa 1905.
married: Elizabeth Annie HILDEBRANDT of Germany, 25th Feb, 1862, Christ Church, Castlemaine Victoria.

my grandpa -Oscar Richard ROSENHAIN b: Adelaide March 20th, 1893 d: Adelaide 1968.

The GG grandparents on my Mother's side -

Johann Frederick Marcus DAU from Hamburg, Germany: born circa 1826, died Adelaide, South Australia 1905.

married in - St Andrews Church, Adelaide, Jan 1855 to Fredericka Christiana BAHLS, Germany, b: circa 1817, died Adelaide, 1905.

G Grandparents: Son - Carl Alfed DAU ( sometimes known as Charls Daw)
b: Adelaide, March 1859. d: 17 November 1936, Adelaide.
married Elizabeth GOBLE 15th October 1894, Adelaide.(noter spelling of Goble here but in other sources it is Gobel or Gobell)

Children..Carl 1822-1846, Florence 1882-1883, Emily 1884 -1907, Lilly, 1887 - Frederich and George 1891-1891

and my Grandmother on my mother's side -

EDITH MYRTLE DAU, b: June 29th,1893 d: August 22nd,1987

married: Peter James CLARN of London, UK, August 9th, 1914 at the The Baptist Manse, Flinder street Adelaide.

Pam

Pam Report 27 Aug 2010 08:38

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