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Hi Nicky
looked at 14,24, 41,43, Clifford Street 1891 census. no luck there
Charles

Hi Nicky
I have looked at Ellen Burns and I have looked at this with a mag glass and it looks like Powell but other people that have looked says Burn/s?
Charles

Is this the Ellen that you found on the 1891 Census


Nicky ........ if so, and if this is the one you found, the image on ancestry says Burn or just possibly Burns.


1891 Census

Name: Ellen Burn
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chatham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton

Thomas Hy Holmes 29 Cow Keeper (Milk is added in another hand)
Agnes Holmes 25
Robt Hy Holmes 3
Lily R Holmes 3/12
Ellen Burn 17
Charles Simpson 30 Servant

Address:- 11 Cyprus Road




sylvia

Have found the census entry for Ellen Burn......but i think it in fact says Powell if you look closely at the image. Has anyone else looked at it....?

That is not the address she married from however...its Cyprus Road, so still may be worth finding out who was at 14 and 41 Clifford Street in 1891.



Nicky

Someone with a findmypast subscription can look up who was at 14 and 41 Clifford street in 1891....both addresses come up, but my subs run out so i can`t check it for you, i only have 1911 census access on there now.


Nicky

Hi Nicky
Q1 no siblings that I know of?
Q2 yes it might be a red herring, it has crossed my mind
Q3 that could be?
Q4 No, would like to, I asked the achive in Sefton (Bootle )for a check for 1893 but they said that they had no record for that year,
In the 1891 census there is a record that is what you would exspect to find if you work backdown from 1911 census but the name is Ellen Burn(s)
Charles

Ok Charles.

Presume you don`t know if your grandmother had any siblings.?

I wonder if her thinking she was born in Chatham was a bit of a red herring.?

Her father died when she was 5...if he was in the Navy there was a good chance he may have been stationed in Chatham, she may have just presumed that was where she was born.....

Maybe her mother was from merseyside and thats why she was there when she married.

Have you done as address check in 1891 on the place they both married from in 1893...that may be a clue to family?



Nicky

Hi Nicky
Edward Septimus Powell is in the 1881 census so I can rule him out. thanks
Charles

What year was Ellen born?




Nicky

Hi Jan

Ellen Powell married William Mellor on 27 August 1893 age 20 witnesses J? Derbyshire, and Edith Emily? Smith. Ellen was living at 41 Clifford Street, Bootle, William was at 14 Clifford Street,
Ellen Powell was 27 in the 1901 census, 37 in 1911(only on original and her name was Helen this is the only time that her name was spelt with a H), aged 66 on death certificate 10 January 1940. I think she was born between March and August 1873. Ellen is my grandmother and you would think with all the info that I have, I should have found her birth details but I cannot pin it down.
Charles

The only Edward Powell that was born in monmoth area 1850-1855

Matches the census info i just gave you.

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Powell Edward Cardiff 11a 199
>>>>Powell Edward Septimus Monmouth 11a 38



Nicky

ah

ok!


sylvia

Think this may be the family in 1861 that dajean found on the igi...
there is another Phillip and Eliza in Monmouthshire, but they do not have a son Edward with them.

Phillip Powell
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Monmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
Town: Monmouth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Monmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Phillip Powell 48
Eliza Powell 46
Phillip Powell 20
John Powell 18
James Powell 16
Thomas Powell 13
Harbert Powell 11
Edward Septimus Powell 8
Charles Powell 5



Nicky

Hi Sylvia
m/cert says he was deceased by1893 he could have died anytime before 1893

Charles

I think Charles means Edward's daughter married in 1893 and he was dead by then. It's a bit confusing though I agree.
Maybe you would care to answer the question re. Ellen's birth.
Jan

thanks dajean
what I was hoping to do was to find him on the 1871 census to see if he was married just a stab in the dark

but your Private Edward Powell died in 1878


so how have you fitted that with Ellen Powell's father who died in 1893?????????




sylvia

When was Ellen born? Might be good to see those census reports.
Jan

Hi
yes I have his d/cert,
there is no info that helps, as the death was reported by the coroner, the two newspaper clipings tell how he died,
name and rank, no personel info except age.
I am fishing in the dark, my g/m Ellen Powell was born in Chatham Kent acording to the 1901/1911 census but there are no records for her birth,(in Chatham Reg or Southport) I have her M/cert that says that her father Edward Powell was deseased in 1893 I also have her death cert. Edward Powell was born about 1852
regards Charles

saw this

edward powell born 14 th oct 1852
monmouth england
father phillip
mother eliza'
indexing co2385-1
sythem englan ;odm
sourse file 104892

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