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Hi, I'm trying to find Sidney Bird, who was born in 1910 or 11. His parents were John and Beatrice. He was in the Army in 1944 and at that time was a Brigadier. He entered into a bigamous 'marriage' in Jul 1944,at Abergele Register Office, to my mother, Mary Josephine Collins. I would appreciate any information that anyone has about him, however little. Thankyou!

It's best to get some firm facts about him first, like his actual date of birth.

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http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

You can search for his birth, his parents' marriage (John Bird to Beatrice), then other births to his parents (by their two surnames) to see whether he had siblings whose families might know him ...

That's what anyone else here would do to help, but you can do it yourself and put the info here!

1911 census


Household information
Address Gate House G E R Beccles Road Aldeby Beccles
Parish Aldeby
Town Aldeby Beccles
Type of Building Gate House
Number of Rooms 4
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN11389 RG78PN621 RD229 SD1 ED1 SN19
Administrative County Norfolk
Registration District Loddon
Registration Sub District Aldeby
Enumeration District 1


Householder 1
Name John Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Occupation Platelayer On G E R
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry G E R Company
Place of Birth Beccles Suffolk


Householder 2
Name Beatrice Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 9 Years
Total Children Born Alive 4
Children Still Living 4
Gender F
Age 26
Estimated Year of Birth 1885
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Bungay Suffolk


Householder 3
Name John William Henry Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1904
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Beccles Suffolk


Householder 4
Name Arthur Stanley Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1906
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Beccles Suffolk


Householder 5
Name Albert Ernest Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Aldeby Norfolk


Householder 6
Name Sidney Bird
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1910
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Aldeby Norfolk

You say he was born 1910 or 1911 -- is that his age from the marriage certificate? What's the source of his parents' names?

Do you know anything about his first marriage (assuming it was him who was married)?

Whoa, wait, a Brigadier?? Have you googled him?

BIRD, John Head Married M 38 1873 Platelayer On G E R Beccles Suffolk
BIRD, Beatrice Wife
Married 9 years
F 26 1885 Bungay Suffolk
BIRD, John William Henry Son M 7 1904 Beccles Suffolk
BIRD, Arthur Stanley Son M 5 1906 Beccles Suffolk
BIRD, Albert Ernest Son M 3 1908 Aldeby Norfolk
BIRD, Sidney Son M 1 1910 Aldeby Norfolk

Registration District:
Loddon Sub District:
Aldeby Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Aldeby

Address:
Gate House G E R Beccles Road Aldeby Beccles County:
Norfolk

With his exact date of birth you can search the death registers with it for him,if he died after 1967 that is.

Edits..Brigadier of what regiment?

Pollypoppet, a few of us have agreed.

Trying to decipher those census outputs makes us old hands lose the will to live. Lord knows what they do to newbies.

Even if you don't delete the meaningless bumph ("Occupation juvenile"), maybe you could just add a space between each person so it's possible to figure out what is there?

Alrighty then, no diy here.

Marriages Dec 1902 (Suffolk)
> Bird John Wangford 4a 2273
Randlesome Louisa Wangford 4a 2273
Spalding Benjamin Wangford 4a 2273
> Tillett Beatrice Wangford 4a 2273


Births Jun 1909
Bird Sidney Loddon 4b 205


additional child

Births Sep 1915 (something is mistranscribed)
BIRD Beatrice L M Tillett Wangford 4a 1095



edit -- *infinitely* better, PP!
but -- do note how FBG's post conveys all of the useful info in 1/10 the space. ;)

and further edit: Phfft to FBG, who still won't connect up the lines about married X years ... :P

sorry is that better

Oh yes Pollypoppet,MUCH better.Thank you.

Much better, Polly. Thanks for that.

Ozi

Sidney's birth was registered apr-may-jun 1909.

Do old brigadiers retire to Cambridge? ;)

Name: Sidney Bird
> Birth Date: 13 May 1909
> Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 9
Page: 0852


That is the only possibly perfect match in the death records -- it would have to be compared to the age on his birth certificate.

The thing to do next is search trees here at GR (button in the row above your thread) for all of the names you now have. Whether or how you decide to approach anyone is a question no one else could answer.

no problem will make sure do it like that from now on :)

Looks like the Brigadier might have been telling porkies. Can't see a Brigadier Bird other than Brigadier Richard Bird in Australia

Ozi

Flippin heck JC,what you want from her,sugar on it?

JC had a go about MY 1911 pasting earlier and I have had to try and adjust mine too...Sighs...

I cant find him on Google either and have to go with Ozi on the "prob telling porkies"unless of course there is a regiment on the marriage cert to be checked out?

As for Cambridgeshire death, there is info on the Cambridgeshire County Council Archives referring to a Sidney A. B. Bird.

Also a Sidney A. Bird born in Ipswich in 1895. So there might be another Sidney out there.

Ozi

P.S. I realize there's a discrepancy in age between Ipswich Sidney & Cambridgeshire death.

Yes, but ours was born in 1909 and the quarter of the birth registration perfectly matches the birth date on that death -- 1909, not 1895. ;)

Mary Georgina needs to start by getting Sidney's birth certificate.

I agree.

Ozi

Thankyou to all of you-I will digest all of this and take action. I am most grateful.

Hi, I've decided that the census entry re Norfolk/Suffolk is the one I'm looking for, as that is listed on the 'marriage' certificate. As my father is no doubt dead now, I'm now looking for any half brothers /sisters from the legal marriage-my mother seemed to think there were some. The legal marriage was to a lady called Rosemary-no maiden name known-and could have taken place any time from about 1930 onwards.
Yes, the brigadier bit seems to be a red herring.
Thankyou once again for all your help!

There's a marriage in Suffolk that seems most likely. Since this is getting a little sensitive, I'll send you that privately, along with the likely children (they fit -- born up to 1938).