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Thanks Flick I will try to trace the Murray connection regards Eileen

Not wise to assume Elizabeth's maiden name was McLean...............the 'brother-in-law' is not identified as being Elizabeth's brother.

Red, thanks will do Regards E

Hi Eileen, Just check with the record office before you go whether they're all set up yet at the museum with the machines and the microfilm etc. Things were up in the air the last time I spoke to them but may be resolved now.

Also it may be useful to find out whether they hold the records for microfilm for that church and for that year.

Good luck.

"n"

Red, thanks for all the info. I am not too far from Liverpool, so that would be a good day out. Its facinating to find out about all the relatives, regards Eileen

Hello Eileen :)

if you're close to Liverpool you may be able to search the parish registers. The record office in the library should be closed for renovation now. There were plans to move the machines next door in the museum and the written archives a little out of town, possibly sandhills.

If the records are on microfilm (and the museum have the machines all set up like they were before) you could check St brides for the year and quarter and see what is on the marriage certificate.

If they haven't been microfilmed, you may be able to check with the archives to see if they hold the parish records for that year.

Sorry it's so complicated, it was far easier to explain when I knew the records were at the library,

Flick. I am wondering where the (3rd name ) Murray comes from, I have always thought that it was Isabels mothers maiden name, but its clear that she was McLean. It must be a family name any ideas thanks

Unable to find any obvious marriage for Isabel's parents.........I think you'll need her birth cert for MMN

Secret Red, thanks St Brides church was the nearest church to where they lived. Its great to piece all the info together. regards Eileen

From Lancashire bmd:

Marriage Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
BRODIE William J PATTERSON Isobel M 1913 Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour Liverpool Lancashire 2047LP/12/111


It shows that they married at Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour.

Andy, good to see the marriage dates. Didnt know these dates. My husbands father was born in the March of the following year. thanks

Thanks Andy. good to have accurate birth years, thanks for looking regards Eileen

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Brodie William J Patterson Liverpool 8b 22
Patterson Isobel M M Brodie Liverpool 8b 22


Andy

Flick Thank you so much a great lot of info that I wasnt aware of. The 1901 census very interesting. Because William J Brodie is living with them hes 18 yrs old. He went on to Marry Isabel Patterson. They are my husbands grand parents. I didnt know that he was living with them, when Isabel was so young . I think they married when Isabel was about 27. There is also a rev. Thomas patterson in the family(Belfast) I dont know a great deal about him, but assume that he is related to Isabels father. I would like to know more about him cos I have some bits and bobs passed down through the family, and he sounds a very interesting man. He studied in Edinburgh I think. Thanks for your help Eileen

Birth actually 1886

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
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PATTERSON Isabel May M Liverpool 8b 107


Andy

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Bowness Rebecca Toxteth Park 8b 422
McLean James Patrick Toxteth Park 8b 422

1901

Name: Isabel M Patterson
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth M Patterson
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 264
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth M Patterson 42
Isabel M Patterson 14
Frederick S T Reid 27
James Ridd 24
William J Brodie 18
Williams C Bashpoth 16
John Garden 23
Cyril Jones 5
Clement Patterson 30
Thos Williams 52

1891

Name: George Patterson
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Patterson
Gender: Male
Where born: Down, Ireland

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Patterson 39 Occ: Marine Engineer
Elizabeth Patterson 32 b. Chester
Isabel M Patterson 5
James McLean 36 BROTHER IN LAW
Rebecca McLean 29 SISTER IN LAW
Lillian McLean 1 NIECE, born Whitehaven

Leo Kelly 40 Lodger, born Kansas City

1911 for INFO


Person: PATTERSON, Isabel May Murray
Address: 25 Sandon St Liverpool

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PATTERSON, Mary Elisabeth Wife Married
31 years F 54 1857 Chester Cheshire VIEW
PATTERSON, Isabel May Murray Daughter Single F 24 1887 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
EGAN, James Boarder Single M 69 1842 Insurance Agent Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
BAYLIFF, James Boarder Single M 26 1885 Post Office Clerk Howgill Sedbergh Yorkshire VIEW
SPRAKELING, Robert John Boarder Single M 38 1873 Cotton Salesman Bootle Lancashire VIEW
SPRAKELING, William Wentworth Boarder Single M 39 1872 Corn Merchant Bootle Lancashire VIEW
PATTERSON, Jennie Servant Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Walton Liverpool Lancashire VIEW