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thanks you for all the help i will get a cert for a child born newcastle i think you right with the name flemming thank you

just came back from newcastle will have to wait for the post to come i dident think i could have got birth cert for one of the children to get the mothers maden name i can give that a go thank you all for the help

This 'might' be Mary Fleming in the 1841 census.


Place: Dryfesdale -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Dryfesdale Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Lockerbie Village

Address: Bridge Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LESSLIE Janet F 40 Independent Dumfries-shire Occupation crossed off
SMITH Janet F 20 Dumfries-shire
FLEMING Mary F 15 Dumfries-shire
FLEMING Thomas M 13 Dumfries-shire

That will be the one Helen - the christening confirms, I believe!!

Thanks Ginny, I will take a look.

Dea x

Id go with that Dea as there is a tree on Ancestry that has her as a Fleming

x

Possible marriage:

James Wells and Mary Fleming
27th October 1843
Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland

BINGO... (perhaps)?

Name: James Wells
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Apr 1850
Baptism/Christening Place: , HODDAM, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 02 Apr 1850

Father's Name: James Wells
Mother's Name: Mary Fleming ****

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11829-4
System Origin: Scotland-VR
Source Film Number: 1067963
Reference Number: 2:162D76Q
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Dea x

Record found on a free site:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

Dea x

Well, this would be the Christening which Helen mentions:

Name: John Robert Wells
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1859
Baptism/Christening Place: St John's Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Father's Name: James Wells
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04238-9
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 847919
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Doesn't really get you much further though,

Sorry,

Dea x

Think this may be the birth for one of the children born in Newcastle

Births Dec 1858
Wells John Robert Newcastle T 10b 54

This certificate will show the parents names ... including the mother's maiden name. You can then look for a marriage in Scotland.


In Scotland, birth registration didn't come in until 1855 ... so you will not be able to find certificates for Jessie, Thomas and James.

What you might be able to find is christenings from the Old Parish Records. However, I've had a quick look on the IGI and can't see any possibles.

Sarah you can order Eng/Wale certificates online...heres the address

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

£9.25 and they should come within the week

will go to newcastle today for cert i have found his side hard with out your help i would still be stuck thanks

i have been adding to my tree just came back
you are good i will get cert know i have the name
to look for

Yep Id say that is his death as here is Mary a widow in 1871

1871 England Census
about Mary A Wells
Name: Mary A Wells
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Drisdale, Scotland
Civil parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Newcastle
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 296
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Wells 44
James Wells 21
Margaret Wells 17
Edward Wells 15
John R Wells 13
David Wells 7
Mary A Wells 8

I wonder if this is the fathers death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Wells
Name: James Wells
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 47
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)


The certificate would give you the name of the informant which could be a relative

i have Genes Reunited i will have a look on what you have gave me and thank you so much
Sally

Youre welcome Sarah....70, a spring chicken you are compared to some on here!!

If you want Scotish certificates you can order here

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Do you know about freebmd...you can check the Eng/Wales records here for free

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

thank you thats a great help to me

Look at the 1861 census I posted. Thye were all born Scotland except for the last 3 children

x

1851 Scotland Census
about Jessie Wells
Name: Jessie Wells
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James Wells
Mother's Name: Mary Wells
Gender: Female
Where born: Dryfesdale, Dumfries
Parish Number: 829
Civil parish: Hoddom
Town: Ecclefechan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ecclefechan
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_207
Household Members: Name Age
James Wells 28 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Lochmaben, Dumfries
Mary Wells 25 <<<<<<<<<<<Cummertrees, Dumfries
William Wells 8 <<<<<<Dryfesdale, Dumfries
Jessie Wells 5
Thomas Wells 3 <<<<Dryfesdale, Dumfries
James Wells 1 <<<<<Hoddam, Dumfries

thank you i will try that how do i pay it