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Rootgatherer - typical! The very one that you're looking for isn't there! I can't thank you enough for all this help, hope that you feel that you've had a productive day on my behalf. It's been very exciting all morning checking back into my threads to see that another message has been added.

Not that it matters now, but I wasn't thinking straight originally when I said that Lydia was my Grandmother's sister - Lydia was in fact my Grandma's auntie. But obviously all the info that you've found is still relevant. We weren't sure if "Lilly" was a shortened version of Lydia and that they may be the same person, but you've cleared that up for us now.
Best wishes.
Sharon

Births Mar 1844 (>99%)
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Leeman Emma Jane Spilsby 14 58*
LEEMAN Emma Jane Spilsby 14 *0

Births Mar 1847 (>99%)
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Leeman Walter Spilsby 14 612

1861 Census


Name: Saml Leeman
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah Leeman
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Ashley
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Spilsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Leeman 54
Hannah Leeman 42
Walter Leeman 14
John Leeman 9
Alice Leeman 6
Ann Leeman 2


Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Leeman John Richard Spilsby 14 598

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Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Leeman Johnson Spilsby 7a 490
LEEMAN Johnson Spilsby 7a 498

Births Jun 1854 (99%)
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LEEMAN Alice Spilsby 7a 516


Possible for Ann??


Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Leeman Elizabeth Ann Spilsby 7a 486

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Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Leeman Betsy Ann Spilsby 7a 471



So all the births seem to have been registered except Hairby!!

Thank you Paula. I have to say though if it was me I wouldn't put any of them on my tree until I bought some certificate just to make sure. I'd have all of them filed in my "yet to be proven" folder!

Any way after all that, I am not see a birth for Hairby! I am going to have a look for some of his siblings as I think that this is a maybe for Samuel and Hannah's marriage.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1843 (97%)
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Bellamy Robert Rayner Spilsby 14 967
FOWLER Hannah Spilsby 14 967 <<<<<<<<<<
Garner John Spilsby 14 967
Gray John Spilsby 14 967
Leeman Samuel Spilsby 14 967 <<<<<<<<<<<
PADMAN Selina Spilsby 14 967
Parkinson Jane Spilsby 14 967
TUTTY Ann Spilsby 14 967

Rootgatherer, you are a star! I had found my grandmother's ancestor, Hairby, but not managed to get back as far as you've been able to for me. Thank you so much!

Thanks again to everyone for the contributions!
Best wishes.
Sharon

How lovely Rootgather Sharon must be very pleased wiith all the help in filling in her tree|!

(Not meant sarcastically)

Regards

1851

Name: Hairby Leeman
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's name: Saml Leeman
Mother's name: Hannah Leeman
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashley, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Ashley
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Stickney
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Leeman 41 Cottager
Hannah Leeman 31
Hairby Leeman 9
Emma Jane Leeman 7
Walter Leeman 4

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
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Leeman Hairby William W. Ham 4a 33

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Deaths Dec 1875 (>99%)
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LEEMAN Hairby William 0 W. Ham 4a 24

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Leeman Hairby 56 W. Ham 4a 39

Sharon - Lydia's ancestors would obviously be the same as you Grandmother's. Are you saying that you don't have those details please?


1901

Name: Lydia Leeman
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Leeman
Gender: Female
Where born: Plaistow, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: 7 Upper Road

Occupation: Wardrobe Dealer Shop Assistant

Condition as to marriage: Single


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Leeman 49
Lydia Leeman 24
Lillian Leeman 16

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1574; Folio: 74; Page: 1.

1891

Name: Lydia A Leeman
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Hairby Leeman
Mother's name: Mary E Leeman
Gender: Female
Where born: Plaistow, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: 12 Upper Road


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hairby Leeman 49 Wardrobe Dealer
Mary E Leeman 39
Lydia A Leeman 14
Anne E Leeman 12
Charles A Leeman 9
Lillian A Leeman 6


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1325; Folio 115; Page 35; GSU roll: 6096435


1881


Name: Hamby Leeman
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Leeman
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashby, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: 24 Upper Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Met Police Sergeant

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hamby Leeman 39
Mary Leeman 29
Elizabeth Leeman 7
Lydia Leeman 4
Anne Leeman 2


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1710; Folio: 22; Page: 40; GSU roll: 1341408.


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Bilton Mary Elizabeth West Ham 4a 51 <<<<<<<<
CRAFFAR Sarah Ann W. Ham 4a 51
GOREHAM Henry W. Ham 4a 51
LEEMAN Hairby W. Ham 4a 51 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Sorry rootgatherer

you are quite right.

LadyKira

I could be wrong but I think Robert H didn't survive as there was a death registered in the same quarter, same district - see posting above.

2 other possible children

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
GRIMSHAW Robert H Leeman Willesden 3a 516

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Grimshaw Edward W Leeman Wandsworth 1d 1432

Thanks very much all you lovely helpful people out there!
If anyone has the time and inclination to have a look for Lydia'a ancestors, that would be marvellous too!
Best wishes, have a good day.
Sharon.

If she did not marry this could be her death

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Doris Grimshaw Name: Doris Grimshaw
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 2000
Age at death (estimated): 94
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: London
Register number: A41D
District and Subdistrict: 2261A
Entry number: 142

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Doris Grimshaw Name: Doris Grimshaw
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 19 Nov 1905
Father's name: Edwin Richard Grimshaw
Mother's name: Lydia Alice Grimshaw
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southall St John
Borough: Ealing
Father's occupation looks like grocer and the address is 50 .......road but I cannot make it out

Thanks all for your prompt help.

Name: Robert H Grimshaw
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Willesden
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 329


??

Name: Edward William Grimshaw
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1987
Age at death (estimated): 72
Registration district: Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 13

Name: Lydia A Grimshaw
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 90
Registration district: Merton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 397


??

Name: Edwin R Grimshaw
Death Registration Month/Year: 1945
Age at death (estimated): 64
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 397

1911

HOUSEHOLD GRIMSHAW EDWIN ROBERT M 1882 29 Willesden Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD GRIMSHAW DORIS F 1906 5 Willesden Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD GRIMSHAW LYDIA ALICE F 1878 33 Willesden Middlesex


???

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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GRIMSHAW Robert H Leeman Willesden 3a 516


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Grimshaw Edward W Leeman Wandsworth 1d 1432

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Grimshaw Edwin Robert Hendon 3a 364
Leeman Lydia Alice Hendon 3a 364