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Karen,

Is that marriage a submitted entry on the IGI? Submitted entries are not always reliable - you need to check them against parish records.

There is a marriage for a William Gracie to a Betty in New Abbey in 1788 but not to a Betty Patterson and the marriage was on 1/9/1788 - if you look at the image, it will probably show a whole page of marriages and you should be able to see all the marriages for that year.

Edit: just double checked that marriage on scotlandspeople and it is for William Gracie and Betty Paterson (I spelt it Patterson yesterday!)

Trying to find parents or syblings of william gracy born 1763 married Betty Paterson (born 1767) on 1/7/1788 at newy abbey kirkudbright Scoltand. tried scotland people search no joy, also IGI. any help or suggestions will be gratefully acknowledged.

Thank you Karen

Have you tried scotlandspeople OPR (old parish records)? A lot of them are on the IGI but there may be some that are not.

I see that the record on the IGI for William bap 1817 Is a submitted record - submitted records should be treated cautiously - some of them are not to be trusted. The extracted records are usually accurate, allowing for transcriptions errors, as they are taken from parish records.

Having said that, William's baptism appears to be on scotlandspeople (unless there was another William Gordon baptised in Balmaclellen on the 26/1/1817!). If you look at the image, there may be some indication of who the father was. The baptism is just under Gordon.

Flick thank you found IGI really useful

Any tips you can give me to find parents of someone born in 1763, hit a brick wall again with old records

Thanks

Karen

Civil registration in Scotland did not start until 1855................so no certs until then.

Try looking on the IGI.........I've given you the web address.

If William was baptised (and therefore born) before his mother married, he was illegitimate.

Illegitimate actually means conceived out of wedlock............

Where would I find details of birth cerificated Scotland.

I have William Gracie/Gordon Born baptised 26/01/1817. Mother Mary Gracy/Gracie d.o.b 1797. She married Peter Gordon on 05/07/1818. Dont know if william illegetimate or not? Siblings took the name of Gordon George and John.

Can you help.

Thank you.

Thank you all very much for your help today.

Sorry, Karen, I can't find any more info on the family. There do not seem to be any births in England to tie up with the children and William only seems to appear in 1851 in England so cannot find his POB..

The IGI is on

www.familysearch.org

It is FREE.

Adding ANY posting to your thread moves it up the board....

Hope this helps

sorry flick I dont know what an IGI is , or how to use the thread correctly to nudge.

apologies

Karen

Thank you to everyone and I promise I wont make the same mistake again.

Karen

I think this is the family in 1851 - William is a miller, all b Scotland:

1851 England Census
about Ellen Gracy
Name: Ellen Gracy
Age: 10 MO
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Gracy
Mother's name: Elen Gracy
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 1rr
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 405
Household Members: Name Age
William Gracy 33
Elen Gracy 28
Wm Gracy 4
Ellen Gracy 10 MO

Karen is just starting, Flick, she probably doesn't know about the IGI.

In the 1861, all the children except Helen are shown as being born in England. Helen is shown as Newalley, Stewarty of Kirkcudbrightshire - but I think that should be New Abbey.

Helen shown as Miller's wife

You didn't check the IGI!!

WILLIAM GRACIE

Spouse: HELEN MCLACHLAN Marriage: 13 APR 1845 Barony, Lanark, Scotland


It is unfair to people who have helped you, to delete threads, then start again.

If a query isn't fully resolved, just nudge your thread up the board..............and you could add 'still looking' to the title

It's OK Karen - the rule is one thread per family. It is better to continue a thread so that any info that has already been found is not looked for again.

I think this is Karen's James in 1891:

1891 Scotland Census
about James Gracie
Name: James Gracie
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Janet Gracie
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 626B
Registration district: Calderhead
Civil Parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Old Row
Occupation: Coachman
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 45
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1891_228
Household Members: Name Age
James Gracie 32
Janet Gracie 23 b Shotts
Jane Gracie 2 b Anderton
Wm Gracie 9 Mths bShotts

I advised Karen to look for James and Janet's marriage on scotlandspeople, which she must have done to get his parents.

James Gracie
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Helen Gracie
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil Parish: Dumfries St Michael
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: 16 Burns Street
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_143
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Gracie 37 >>>>Born Glasgow
Helen Gracie 11
Jane Gracie 9
James Gracie 4
John Gracie 1

????
Groom's Name: William Gracie
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Helen Mclachlan
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1845
Marriage Place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11968-7
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 994195
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910

Sorry am i doing this wrong, please advise me on the procedure.

Do i keep asking on the same thread or is it only one per day, im new to this and apologise for any inconvenience

Karen

Oh dear, I thought the names were familiar!!!!!!!!

Karen, is this related to your earlier thread which now seems to have disappeared?