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Thanks guys your all hard work!
The reference of purley as a servent at 16 in an vicarage with the clergy man head of the family ties in nicely to my grandads claim i think of him being the father.
She then moved or 'got sent away' more likely to the sway,hampshire area where later she has met john spikesman on the census showing herbert as a 'stepson' at 8 years old.
later census information wouldnt show too much as he ran away to join the navy at 14 or possible earlier who gave him his education and naval career.
im phoning my dad who's in his 80's to make him smile about his dads secret conception so once again-Thank you so much-merry x-mas

Harriet's death?

Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
Spikesman Harriet Kate 34 Fareham 2b 367

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Harriet Kate Spikesman
Name: Harriet Kate Spikesman
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 34
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 367 (click to see others on page)

Name: Hariet K Rogers
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Milford, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Milford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Milford
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England


Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Rogers 22
Annie Rogers 27
Earnest J Rogers 9
Eliza K Rogers 1
Hariet K Rogers 25



Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
Spikesman Harriet Kate 34 Fareham 2b 367


Christine

Interestingly 1891 for Purley Rodgers.

Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Milfonk On Sea, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin Kingsbury
Town: Kingsbury
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Vicarage


Registration district: Langport
Sub-registration district: Langport
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry J Phillips 45 clerk in Holy Orders ( clergy)
Emma Phillips 45
Dorothy Mason 6
Alfred Priddle 19
Purley Rodgers 16
Mary Barnett 24

Also this marriage.

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
MILLIGAN Genevieve Minnie Christchurch 2b 1529
Rogers Harriet Kate Christchurch 2b 1529
Seare George Christchurch 2b 1529
Spikesman John Christchurch 2b 1529

The birth cert needed to find out if Harriet Kate was his mother.


Christine

Image details

Description Name Rogers, Herbert John
Official Number: J581
Place of Birth: Bournemouth, Hampshire

Date 21 April 1892
Catalogue reference ADM 188/648
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 501-1000
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference


Number of image files: 1


Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£)
81 / 81 PDF 1.2 1 169 1 3.50
Total Price (£)

(have a look on National Archives, Documents Online. Navy. £ 3.50 to download)

1871 England Census
about Harriet Kate Rogers Name: Harriet Kate Rogers
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Rogers
Mother's name: Jane Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Milford, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Milford
Town: Milford
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rogers 44
Jane Rogers 37
Mary Jane Rogers 12
Harriet Kate Rogers 5
William M Rogers 2

Name: SPIKESMAN, John
Registration District: Help Frome
County: Somerset
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 5C
Page No: Help 877
MarriageMatch™: John Spikesman married one of the following people Help KING, Rosina Martha view record
ROGERS, Purley Bertha view record

1881 England Census
about Purley B. Rodgers Name: Purley B. Rodgers
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Rodgers
Mother's name: Jane Rodgers
Gender: Female
Where born: Milford, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Milford
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Rd Cottage
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rodgers 54
Jane Rodgers 49
William Rodgers 12
George Rodgers 9
Purley B. Rodgers 6

So John Spikesman marries Harriet Kate Rogers (who might be the mother of Herbert),she dies and then he marries her sister?Purley?

Maureen

Possible birth - Lymington covers Sway:

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
Rogers Herbert John Lymington 2b 629

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Herbert J Rogers
Name: Herbert J Rogers
Spouse Surname: Bailey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Frome
Registration county (inferred): Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 585
Find Spouse: Alice l

UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
about Herbert John Rogers
Name: Herbert John Rogers
Medal or Award: RN Long Service and Good conduct Medal
Service Year: 1925-1930
Ship Name: Dido

(a possible?. CPO number J581)

Naval Records held at National Archives, Kew.

Chris :)

Reg. District: Frome Sub District: Frome
Parish: Frome Enum. District: 4
Address: 6 Waterloo Frome
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


SPIKESMAN, John Head Married M 53 1858 Ostter At Mine Deliham Hants
SPIKESMAN, Carley Bertha Wife Married
2 years F 36 1875 Home Laundress Lymington Hants
SPIKESMAN, Gladys Kate Daughter F 12 1899 School Winton Hants

1911 census transcription details for: ,
Military details: Ordinary Seaman 416
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5592 RD90 SD3 ED36 SN9999

Reg. District: Portsmouth Sub District: Portsea and Landport
Parish: Enum. District: 36
Address:
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
ROGERS, Herbert J Single ? 19 1892 Sway Lymington Hampshire

1901 England Census
about Herbert J Rogers
Name: Herbert J Rogers
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sway, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Bournemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Bournemouth St Clements
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Bournemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
John Spikesman 43
Bertha Rogers 26
Herbert J Rogers 8
Gladys K Spikesman 2

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Could this be him?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Purley Bertha Rogers
Name: Purley Bertha Rogers
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Frome
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 877 (click to see others on page)
John Spikesman

If he died in 1958 aged 66 he would have been born 1892?

Andrew

It may be an interesting family story but its very confusing for me ;)

Do you have a birth certificate for Herbert John Rogers? I cant see an obvious birth of that name, was he born under a different name?

This is a very interesting story of a boy born illegitamately in the days when this was a serious event.
My dad says his fathers real dad was the local priest/vicar and his mum dissapeared leaving him to be brought up by a very strict old aunty wether they were really related i dont know.As he died in Bath in 1958 aged 66 we dont know any mother information or if she really was Rogers or the name was just given?
My grandad was a chief petty officer in the navy and was bitter because he couldnt rise above that rank as he was illegitamate and that cursed him throughout his career.
They had a family home in the 1930's my dad recalls at 8 willow vale frome.
My grandad married Alice Lilly Bailey who's details i have but im really after any links on grandads real parents or siblings if any or war records.
In 1939 my dad says his dad went off to portsmouth for 5 years training navy personel in gunnery operations.I know he also had several medals but those have vanished over the years.
i have tried but failed somewhat and i know already there are vast amounts of internet guru's on this site with real detective skills and years of family tree experience that could help me.
Thank you in advance of any replies,
Andrew Rogers.