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Hi all,

Can any one find this girl in 1891?
She's not with her parents who are in Rochdale.
Ethel Preece b JAS 1885 Castleton, Lancashire.
She's with them in 1901.

Thanks,

Simon.

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Name: Ethel Preece
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edward Preece
Mother's name: Annie Preece
Gender: Female
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Broughton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Broughton [Near Salford]
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Preece 37 born Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Annie Preece 37
Ethel Preece 5

Who do you think her parents were?

1901?

Name: Edward Preece
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie Preece
Gender: Male
Where born: Ponterford, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Cheetham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Preece 48
Annie Preece 49
Timothy McCarthy 19
Denis Omahoney 18
David Crowley 17

Is this the 1901 you mean?

Name: Ethel Precce
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Precce
Mother's name: Bertha Precce
Gender: Female
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Heywood All Soul
Town: Marland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Precce 40 born PANTEFORD....Shropshire
Bertha Precce 40
Annie Precce 20
Henry Precce 18
Charles Precce 16
Ethel Precce 14
John Precce 13
Edwin Precce 11

Flick
I did a look up for him earlier on today, and this is the 1891 census I found with Ethel's family on. Minus Ethel - which is who Simon is looking for in 1891. I can't find her as yet.

1891 census

PREECE, Henry Head Married M 31 1860 Coachman Domestic Servant
Pontesbury
Shropshire VIEW
PREECE, Bertha Wife Married F 31 1860
Ketley Bank
Shropshire VIEW
PREECE, Sarah Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
High Crompton
Lancashire VIEW
PREECE, Annie Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Castleton
Lancashire VIEW
PREECE, Henry Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Castleton
Lancashire VIEW
PREECE, Charles Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Castleton
Lancashire VIEW
PREECE, John Son M 3 1888 Scholar
Castleton
Lancashire VIEW
PREECE, Edwin Son M 1 1890
Castleton
Lancashire

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3327 Folio:
40 Page:
3

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Castleton Further Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Martins

Civil Parish:
Castleton Municipal Borough:
Rochdale Address:
Chamber House Coachmans Cottage, Brooklyn, Castleton, Chamberhouse, Rochdale County:
Lancashire

Edward and Henry were almost certainly brothers......the notation of Ethel as Daughter in 1891 was probably nothing more than a simple error

Hi,

Thanks for doing all that searching. Sorry I didn't get back earlier. Jan is right. Ethel was in 1901 as she has listed above but not in 1891.

Thanks again,

Simon.

Hi Simon,
Still can't find Ethel in 1891 census, so thought I'd go forwards and have found her marriage and where she is in 1911 census.

Marriages Dec 1907

PREECE Ethel Bury 8c 828
ROSTRON Sidney Bury 8c 828

1911 census

ROSTRON, Ann Head Widow F 59 1852 Derbyshire Nr New Mills

ROSTRON, Sidney Son Married M 23 1888 Carter For Building And Timber Merchant Turton

ROSTRON, Ethel Wife Married 3 years F 25 1886 Morland Rochdale

ROSTRON, Constance Daughter F 3 1908 Rochdale Lanc

ROSTRON, John Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Rochdale Lanc

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24627 Reference:
RG14PN24627 RG78PN1412 RD470 SD3 ED9 SN116

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Castleton No 2 Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Rochdale

Address:
46 Walpole St Rochdale County:
Lancashire

So............you're disregarding the 1891 and 1901......even though there is a distinctly plausible reasoning behind my posting of it?

Obviously, I'm not saying I'm right, but I do think you could show me the courtesy of at least considering the info, and commenting on it.

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Heya, Flick, dropping in as requested. ;) I have to spend most of the day working, but took a quick look -- looks reasonable to me!

Relationships were often fudged or assumed in censuses. I spent forever looking for someone recorded as Alice Coke, niece (and worse, born Spotland, per Ancestry, until I consulted the image and found it was Scotland). The only way she could have been the person's niece, with that surname, was if she was the daughter of my gr-grf's sister and her husband, and she just wasn't. After a lot more work, I figured out she was Alice Orr, probably the daughter of the brother of the husband of the person's sister. "Niece" was a lot easier to say than "sister's brother-in-law's niece".

The main question would be: were there actually two Ethel Preece-s born around that time and place?

Only one registered in Rochdale reg dist, where Castleton is:

Births Sep 1885
Preece Ethel Rochdale 8e 18

One in Blackburn Q1 1884 (2 yrs too old), one in Ulverston 1889 (much too young).


1851

John Preece 46
Sarah Preece 43
William Preece 12
John Preece 11
> Edward Preece 8
> Henry Preece 2

Civil Parish: Pontesbury
County/Island: Shropshire


Brothers, it does seem.


Btw, what's this about a lookup earlier today? Not a duplicate thread, shurely?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1251617

The censuses were all there already, so it certainly makes little sense to start a new thread ... and not even offer the 1901 census info ... or even the names of the parents she's with ... !! Searching for unknowns is one thing; searching for knowns is really pretty pointless for the helpers.

Thanks Janey...especially for alerting me to the existing thread.........another time-waster!

Perhaps THIS will persuade you, Simon, if you ever come back to this thread

1911 census

Person: PREECE, Edward
Address: 4 Hayfield St Ardwick Manchester

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PREECE, Edward Husband Married M 58 1853 Labourer Shropshire Hanbury VIEW
PREECE, Annie Wife Married
26 years F 59 1852 London Hamstead VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23713 Reference:
RG14PN23713 RG78PN1378A RD464 SD2 ED12 SN190

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
4 Hayfield St Ardwick Manchester County:
Lancashire

They clearly state on the census that they have had NO children during their 26 year marriage...................

I sent a PM advising Simon to check his thread (which he has opened)........

And I believe I saw him on another thread of his today.

Such a gracious soul!

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Oh dear, and there was me, all excited ... ;)

What a waste of time this bloke is.......................