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Richard, what we aren't understanding is this.

You have apparently guessed at a father for your Henry: George Wiles.

Now you are guessing at another father for your Henry: William Wiles.

You can get the answer very easily by ordering one of Henry's marriage certificates, I'd say preferably the first, as more likely to be accurate.

If he reported his real father's name on that certificate (which would depend on whether he knew it, for one thing, his father having died when he was very young), then you will have the answer, or at least a more reliable answer than you now have.

You order certificates here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

And for future ref, as the guidance at this site says, it is best to give *all* information you have. I, just for example, was hunting around for Henry Wiles in 1871, when you knew his stepfather was Ellison, and that is the name he's shown under in that year. People trying to help shouldn't have to "find" information that isn't lost, and it's never predictable what information might lead to an important clue.

Winding you up? I'm not winding anyone up. I apologise if you think that: it seems I made an honest typing error re Stather.

I'm fairly new to all this.

Thanks for your help. Goodnight.

Richard are you winding us up ?

You had us looking for " Sarah (nee Statham), " not Stather and then never told us you knew about the Ellison connection.
Jax posted the 1871 census with Henry listed as Ellison.

Info on the William Wiles connection comes from another tree on ancestry, which suggests the person I currently have as Henry Wiles' father (George Wiles) is incorrect.

The reason I suspect this is because people from this other tree are shown to live in the same house and other premises in Copper Street, Barnsley, after moving from Cave.

In my tree, George Wiles takes us onto a branch of Wileses that originates in Holme Upon Spalding Moor, which is also in Howden district.

You have been given those details Richard why are you telling us again?

jax

FreeBMD marriage index lists William Wiles marriage, registered 1858, Jul-Aug-Sep, Howden district, volume 9d p131

Wife: Sara Stather.

After death of William Wiles, she remarried: William Ellison, reg. 1867, Apr-May-Jun, Howden, vol 9d, p151

The tree on ancestry with over 5000 people in it maybe

jax

Ditto, Mike; that's why I asked: "I don't see a marriage for William Wiles + Sarah Statham. Do you have her name from the brother's birth certificate, or have you found a marriage?"

And it turns out the surname is actually Stather, if it's the right couple. So it does look like it's coming from second- (or fourth-) hand inaccurate info.

I'm interested to know how you know all the ladies maiden names when you don't have any certificates.
Is your info passed onto you from someone else's tree ?

1871
Name: Henry Ellison
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Wm Ellison
Mother's name: Sarah Ellison
Gender: Male
Where born: Caves, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Ellison 45
Sarah Ellison 35
Henry Ellison 13
Jane Ellison 9
James Ellison 6
Hannah Ellison 2


Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
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Ellison William Howden 9d 151
Wiles Sarah Howden 9d 151

I can't find him until 1891, after 1861 (if that's him in 1861):

Name: Henry Wiles
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah E Wiles
Where born: North Cave, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Barnsley

Looks like his father died in 1862 just looking at the tree on ancestry

jax

It does look like Henry's birth wasn't registered -- at least not in Howden.

If you go to FreeBMD and search for every Henry born in Howden 1857-1860, there isn't one with a surname that fits.

So you've got to get a marriage certificate, to see whether he named his father.


The 1861 just for ref:

William Wilds 28
Sarah Wilds 23
William Wilds 4
Henry Wilds 3 >> it actually says * 2 *, not 3.

Civil Parish: North Cave
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Howden


Is his age consistent on later censuses?

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Deaths Sep 1895
Wiles Sarah Ellen - 34 - Keighley 9a 126

Thereby hangs your problem !

You could search for certificate references on freebmd

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Marriages Dec 1885 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bagshaw Sarah Louisa Barnsley 9c 240
Hesslegrave Edward Albert Barnsley 9c 240
Robinson Sarah Ellen Barnsley 9c 240
Wiles Henry Barnsley 9c 240


Once you have determined his father's name you might be able to confirm or rule out the 1861 entry you found under Wilds.

We have no certificates at all...

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Marriages Mar 1898

Hey Mary Ellen Keighley 9a 233
McDonald Mary Ellen Keighley 9a 233
Wildman John William Keighley 9a 233
Wiles Henry Keighley 9a 233

Thanks for the quick feedback.... JaneyCanuck: I did not correct the Wilds entry, but I am in contact with the person who did, who had alerted me to the possibility that this was part of my tree.... another fact is that members of the Wiles/Stather family that this person belongs to lived in various properties in the same street that I know my great grandfather lived in in Barnsley, Copper Street. So it seems likely that this "Wilds" is in fact Wiles and my great grandfather's parents – but I'd like the birth record to prove it!

Marriages Sep 1858
Stather Sarah Howden 9d 131
Wiles William Howden 9d 131

That is also how she appears in the 1851 census.

Are you the person who has corrected "Wilds" at Ancestry in 1861? or are you in touch with that person?

Births Dec 1856
Stather William Wiles Howden 9d 83

I don't see a marriage for William Wiles + Sarah Statham. Do you have her name from the brother's birth certificate, or have you found a marriage?