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Astra - you're a star. thanks so much for your detective work. Michelle.x

Hi Michelle
Unfortuntely the 1911 is the last available census until the 1921 is released in 9 or 10 years. You may have some luck with the electoral roll depending on the time frame you are looking for and where.
To order birth, marriage and death certificates order through the GRO on-line. You will need to register on the site but that only takes a couple of minutes and is only needed once. Each certificate costs £9.95 and you will need a credit or debit card. Or you can order through the local council for the area. A quick call to them should provide you with all the information you need on how and where to order and the cost.
A word of warning. Never order from anywhere else on-line. Only use the GRO or the council. Some places charge sky high prices and it is a rip off.
Hope this helps.
Astra
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Finally found the death John W BURNHAM aged 80 in 1st Q 1949 at Buckrose which fits the family information. So John Read and John Burnham IS the same person and explains why the stories go that Emma Jane threw him out years before!
Do you know if there is any access to Census data after 1911 anywhere? And also how I can obtain birth certificates?

Yikes! the plot thickens - wish someone could speak from the grave. But I am told that the oldies kept saying "what's in the past stays in the past" and I guess they are right....doesn't stop the old mind wandering though. thank you so much.

The point is are John William Burnham and John Read one and the same person??
There is no death for John Burnham of the right age so did he leave Jane and go off with Emma?
There is a death of a child in Sculcoates in 1894 called John William Burnham so this could have been their first child.
Unfortunately the time line is wrong. He had his first child with Emma in 1897. But stranger things have happened. Ethel Burnham who was actually born in 1898 need not be his child but the product of a dalliance Jane had after he had left. Could be the reason why they never married and why they kept moving around.

It could be that he married Jane Adamson.
She re-marries in 1910 to Harold Atkinson

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
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>>Atkinson Harold Sculcoates 9d 288
>>Burnham Jane Sculcoates 9d 288
Cooke Minnie Sculcoates 9d 288
White George W Sculcoates 9d 288


and in 1911 she is with her daughter Ethel Burnham. She notes she has been married for under 1 year. Not sure where her husband is just yet.

ATKINSON, Jane Head Married F 34 1877 House Duties Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BURNHAM, Ethel Daughter F 12 1899 House Duties Yorkshire Hull VIEW


Address:
61a Rosamond Street County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

I wonder if John William was already married

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Adamson Jane Sculcoates 9d 339
>>Burnham John William Sculcoates 9d 339
Fletcher Henry Addison Sculcoates 9d 339
Vinson Sarah Ann Sculcoates 9d 339

Yes! yes! Tickton Grange has been mentioned many times in the family and we really wondered as to it's relevance. though still very confused....!!!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John William Burnham
Name: John William Burnham
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Beverley (1837-1937)
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 104 (click to see others on page)

1871 England Census
about John W Burnham
Name: John W Burnham
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: William S Burnham
Mother's name: Mary A Burnham
Gender: Male
Where born: Tickton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Tickton
Town: Tickton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Beverley
Sub-registration district: Beverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William S Burnham 37
Mary A Burnham 35
Edward Burnham 7
Mary E Burnham 5
Clara A Burnham 4
John W Burnham 2
Robert H Burnham 6 Months
John Horsley 40
William Ellerby 25
Jane Kirkman 35
Sophia Coukwell 14

maybe

Wow! you've all been so busy for me. thank you so much. Sad life for Emma Jane ; 7 out of 14 children died. Lots of mystery in the family regarding the changes of name from William to John Read and also the appearance of the name BURNHAM as middle names for some of the children - including my grandad Jack Burnham Read.
Guess if they weren't married, that'll explain why they moved around alot as evidenced in the places of birth for the early children - Ernest, Sydney and Ethel. Anyone got a theory on the usage of the name Burnham: maybe Emma Jane's mother's maiden name?

Births Jun 1874 ---------------------

Sprentall Emma Jane - Stokesley 9d 545

Birthplace on 1911 census should red Nunthorpe

The 1911 shows that John (William Henry ) had 9 children, 5 of them had died?

Dea x

Whether the marriage was Catholic or not there would still have to be a civil registration. It's looking very much as though they didn't marry.

2 born in Bridlington after 1911. Are you sure that they had 14?

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Read Dorothy J B Sprentall Bridlington 9d 700

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Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Read Jack B Sprentall Bridlington 9d 736

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
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READ Sydney Burnham Wharfedale 9a 159

Have you birth certs of any children?
birth
Ernest Arthur Sprentall 1897 Jan-Feb-Mar Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

For some reason he is in Bridlington with 2 of the children


READ, John William Head Married M 42 1869 Groom Yorks Wyton Hull VIEW
READ, Ernest Arthur Sprintall Son M 14 1897 Thomas St York VIEW
READ, Sydney Barnham Son M 12 1899 School Ashland Ter Ilkley VIEW


Address:
10 Stevensons Buildings High St Bridlington County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Thank you for your help so far. Still wondering what happened to Mr Read in 1911 as he's not in the same 1911 Census. I think he lived until the 1940's and was with Emma Jane in Bridlington, Yorkshire in 1913 - the year my grandad was born.
Any further thoughts?

This looks like her in 1911

BARTLE, John Clapham Head Married M 43 1868 Auctioneer News Agent C Valvern Yorkshire Halton VIEW
BARTLE, Dorothy Mary Wife Married
9 years F 36 1875 Yorkshire Kippax VIEW
BARTLE, Dorothy Kathleen Daughter Single F 8 1903 Yorkshire Swillington VIEW
BARTLE, Cicely Joan Daughter Single F 6 1905 Yorkshire Swillington VIEW
BARTLE, Elizabeth Noel Daughter Single F 4 1907 Yorkshire Swillington VIEW
BARTLE, Barbara Mary Daughter Single F 2 1909 Yorkshire Swillington VIEW
HIDER, Bessie Gertrude Lady Nurse Single F 25 1886 Lady Nurse Domestic Kent Gravesend VIEW
OSBORNE, Gertrude Elizabeth Governess Single F 25 1886 Governess Domestic Isle of Wight Ryde VIEW
>>REED, Emma Jane Servant Married
14 years F 36 1875 Cook Domestic Yorkshire Nunthoyne VIEW
SNAITH, Margaret Alice Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Durham Copley VIEW


Address:
Brookfield House Garforth Near Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

She notes 9 children born 4 living 5 died.