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O R probably means Outdoor Relief i.e. proably Alice was given a few coppers to support her and her baby at her parents home rather than the Poor Relief fund paying for her keep in the workhouse.

John Richard Butler was born to Alice at Bear Yard on 15th October 1900 he was illegitimate. The parish Alice was admitted from was St Martin in the Fields. Alice's birth year is given as 1880.

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Admission and Discharge Register: Includes Entries for Bear Yard, Edmonton, Cleveland Street, St Gi…

Alice Butler
Admitted 15th Oct 1900 discharged 5th Nov 1900 to O R
I don't know what O R means.

That was me, her name was Clara but she was known as Carrie or Clarrie

Looking at 1901 someone has corrected carrie to carla.
jan

Hi rootgather, will see if I can find Poor relief records for Southwark where Alice Butler lived in case they sent her to Bear Yard. I remember my mother telling me that Alice lived in Covent Garden where Bear Yard is located so this might be the record. I will send for John Richard Butler's bc to establish Mother/address.

H rootgather, my Carrie died in 1904 I believe.

Not sure about England but in Scotland Workhouses or Porhouses were also used as hospitals for those who could not afford to pay for medical assistance. You could see if the Poor Relief records for that area have survived as these often contain a fair amount of detail. One of my great uncles married a lady who had a child from a previous relationship (about the same time as your John was born). The poor relief gave me details of her parents in Ireland and also the name, address and occupation of the reputed father of the child.

Hi rootgatherer, Alice had 9 children, one died, with Luke Keefe b 1879 Southwark. Luke was married to a Laura Ann Heard 1898 and they had two children. On the 1901 census he is shown living with a Norah (Laura?) and daughter Nora b 1897 (mo record of her birth either). They must have separated because by 1911 he was living with my grandmother Alice and 4 children. Laura Keefe was living at a different address with her second daughter (Emily FlorenceKeefe b 1903)
My grandparents did not marry until 1933 (presumably because Luke was still married to Laura The mystery deepens.

Yes, I was trying to tactfully suggest that as a possibility. Who did Alice marry please? Was she married before 1911?

I looked at John Richard Butler born Bear Yard Workhouse to Alice Butler, are you thinking that he might be the illegitmate son of Alice? the thought did occur to me. Does anyone know if I can access the workhouse records to ascertain where Alice was admitted from?

1911 - sorry don't have a sub. to view the household. Your Carrie??

HOUSEHOLD BUTLER CARRIE F 1861 50 Chelsea London

When and to whom did Alice marry. Had she any sisters that may have been John's mum? He may be on the 1911 census listed by a stepfather's surname?

Liking that one brummiejan - I don't see a corresponding JRB on the 1901.

I don't suppose this is him but then again who knows!

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Butler John Richard Strand 1b 585

thanks, any luck with John Warbers on later census?

Don't see any Warbers on the 1911 census and only one Warber!!

thanks, any luck with John Warbers on later census?

Can't see either her or John's birth on Freebmd. I tried looking for possibles for Nora(h) using Hanora (sometimes shortened to Nora or Norah) and the various combinations of Kathleen (Catherine), Mary and Nora but with no success, sorry.

Any clues how I will track Norah's birth certificate down please