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My hunch would be that perhaps, as you said, she never actually married Charles (perhaps he was married to someone else) but took his name as she had his children.

That may account for why she is called Boulton in 1851 but status unmarried. (I've found a very similar situation with my own great grandfather).

According to Ann's death cert she died in 1908 age 90 so that would make her birth around 1818. On the 1861 census she was born in Slough Buckingham but on the 1851 census she was born Burnham Buckingham.

I don't think that can be a possibility MarieCeleste as she was definately put down as daughter to Mary Williams. Unless her mother was married before.

Thanks everyone for trying to help

Just for reference, this is the Ann and two boys in 1851:

WILLIAM, John Head Married M 53 1798 Shoe Maker St Buryan Cornwall
WILLIAM, Mary Wife Married F 55 1796 Charwoman Wooden Bath Wiltshire
BOULTON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 29 1822 Charwoman Burnham Buckinghamshire
BOULTON, William Jas Grand Son Unmarried M 8 1843 Scholar Kensington Middlesex
BOULTON, George F Grand Son M 4 1847 Kensington Middlesex

Registration District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington Town Enumeration District: 3 Ecclesiastical Parish: Saint Mary Abbotts

Civil Parish: Kensington Municipal Borough:
Address: 23, King Street, Kensington County: Middlesex

It does say that Ann's condition to marriage on the original is "un" but there's no guarantee to whether that's correct.

Found this record:


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charles Edward Boulton
Spouse Name: Ann Horsley
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Jan 1834
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney

Doesn't give any further info as it's a Banns record. These are likely the parents of the baptism I posted above.

Thanks Marie Celeste, anything is worth looking at as you never know if it might fit in somewhere along the line.

Have just reread Ann's obituary & it says that Charles Boulton was killed in the Crimea.

I have no idea where or when he was born but I did find a death for a George Boulton in Crimea in 1855. It isn't the right name but the way my Boulton's used their middle names instead of given names it wouldn't surprise me but I wouldn't presume anything without proof.

I can't find a marriage for a Charles Boulton to an Ann Williams so can only assume they never married. I am only looking for a marriage for her in this name as she was put down as daughter in 1851 census with the Williams family.

No idea if they are related, but thought it worth posting (even if just to eliminate):


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John George Boulton
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1843
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1843
Father's name: Charles Edward Boulton << Mariner
Mother's name: Anne Boulton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

Address is Woolpack Place

I have his mothers obituary & he was the informant, it stated in the newspaper that she was his mother. His other marriage wasn't until 1924 so isn't any help.

He was living at 18 st james street hammersmith when she died, the same address he was living at when my great grandfather was born.
It says that she was the widow of Charles Boulton (deceased) a private in the Coldstream guards but can't find anything about him.

How sure are you his mother was Ann? Have you now been able to check the image, I'm not sure about the sons' names.

Who were the witnesses on his other marriage cert?

Might be worth checking out that 1841 census too, there are a William and Mary Bolton living nearby, and a Bolton family on the next page.
Jan

Witnesses to Francis George Boulton & Anne Gibbs marriage were Thomas Tuckey & Eliza Collins so its definately Tuckey.

It is definately Tuckey as I have Thomas's marriage cert. What I am trying to work out is if like it says he is the uncle of my Francis/George than how is he related as if I can crack this one it might help with sorting out his parents.

I know that Ann Boulton (his mother) was on 1851 census with John & Mary Williams as their daughter.

Thomas Tuckey married an Elizabeth Williams.

The fathers of Elizabeth Williams & my Ann aren't the same. as Elizabeth's father is Francis Williams - a farmer & Ann's according to the 1851 census is John Williams - a shoemaker.

Its all very confusing

I thought it was a T

.......... but I'm not sure about "u" vs "a", when looking at the various ways "a" is written ... see Jane a couple of rows above.

Re: 1851 transcription. I would say it's Thomas Tuckey. The capital letter starting the surname is just about the same as that on Thomas and on the Tomlyn on the line below.

There is a James Lay a few lines above and that L is definitely an L.

If you look at the way the enumerator has written Fulham further down the page the "u" is the same as in the Tuckey surname.

FMP have transcribed the name as Tuckey.

Sylvia, I don't think the first names for the two Boulton nephews1851 look like what the transcriber has put - what do you think?

EDIT Ok fair enough! original says uncle (I think!!):

1891 England Census

Name: Thomas Tuckey
Age: 85
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Abington, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith

Francis G Bruton 44 (Corrected Boulton)
Ellanor Bruton 42
Emily Bruton 19
George Bruton 11
Charles Bruton 8
Frederick Bruton 4
Thomas Tuckey 85

jan

I agree with jan about the transcription of Tuckey


Looking carefully at other names on the page, I think it is me likely to eb TACKEY



But also

how sure are you that the Geo. Bolton shown as the nephew on that image is in fact YOUR Francis George Boulton?


Especially as there is a Geo. Bolton, wife and family, living only 2 doors away.



sylvia

OK! maybe someone else will have a go, or you can come back when you can access your stuff.
Jan

Hi Jan

I can't look at the image at the moment as it is on my memory stick & my son borrowed it.

I also have all my certs saved on the memory stick so can't check those either.

Have you actually looked at the image 1851, because I have to say I'm not altogether convinced by the transcription.

What do you think of this for a possible birth?

Births Mar 1845 (>99%)
Boulton George Francis St Martin 1 124

Who are witnesses on both certs?

Don't think it really helps but this might be thomas 1841:

1841 England Census

Name: Thomas Tuckey
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Hammersmith St Paul

Edward Tuckey 75
Ann Tuckey 70
Ann Tuckey 28
Edward Tuckey 25
Thomas Tuckey 24


jan

Thomas married Elizabeth Williams in 1845 in Kensington but I think she died in 1867. I have no idea where she would've been in 1851.

Trying for Thomas to see if any clues but though married 1851 no wife!:

1851 England Census

Name: Thomas Luckey
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Abingdon, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith

Thomas Luckey 36
Edward Luckey 40

Hi Jan

According to marriage cert neither have been married before but as i have his previous marriage cert I know this is not true.

His 1st marriage to Anne Gibbs was at St Peter's church in Hammersmith on 24/12/1866 & the 2nd was at Hammersmith Registry Office on 31/07/1924.

Father on both certs is named as Charles Boulton & occupation is Soldier deceased.