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Margaret


you are very welcome!

I'm glad I could help.


I too think that "Lipton" was a mis-spelling or mis-transcription of Tipton




sylvia

Also Sylvia - thank you for the information regarding Mary Shephard/Heydon. It says residence LIPTON but I have no idea where this is but think it could possibly be TIPTON in the West Midlands particularly as one of Mary's siblings married and moved to Tipton. I shall pursue this. Thank you for your help.

Sylvia and Ozibird - you little gems. What I wonderful surprise I woke up to this morning and logged on. I am highly delighted to say the least. What a coincidence to have these two born so closely together, and same named father and also being together on the birth registrations. I would never have solved this mystery on my own. Thank you both so so much.

That's great, Sylvia. It confirms they're not twins. It was just such a coincidence to find them on the same page of the reg'n index.

Just goes to show why old timers in this game believe you need 3 pieces of evidence before you can claim an ancestor.

Ozi

?????????


parents: George Walker, Keziah Walker

record title: England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900

name: Mary Ellen Walker
event: Christening
event date: 07 May 1876
event place: St Paul, Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
father: George Walker
mother: Keziah Walker
digital folder number: 4292054



but it looks as though Keziah was born to a different George Walker


birth: 25 Mar 1876
parents: George Walker, Elizabeth Walker

record title: England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900
name: Keziah Walker
event: Christening
event date: 24 May 1876
event place: Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
gender: Female
father: George Walker
mother: Elizabeth Walker
digital folder number: 4290980




sylvia

residence: Foleshill
parents: William Shepard
spouse: George Walker
marriage: 11 Jun 1871 — Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

record title: England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900

name: George Walker
event: Marriage
event date: 11 Jun 1871
event place: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
marital status: Single
father: Robert Walker
spouse: Kezia Shepard
spouse's marital status: Single
spouse's father: William Shepard
digital folder number: 4291043




sylvia

is this any help?

from the new beta.familysearch site

www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


residence: Lipton
parents: George Heyden
spouse: Mary Shephard
marriage: 03 Nov 1862 — Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

record title: England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900

name: William Heyden
event: Marriage
event date: 03 Nov 1862
event place: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
marital status: Single
father: George Heyden
spouse: Mary Shephard
spouse's marital status: Single
spouse's father: William Shephard
digital folder number: 4291043


and this is another version of it, giving the name of the church

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: William Heyden
bride's name: Mary Shephard
marriage date: 03 Nov 1862
marriage place: Saint Lawrence,Foleshill,Warwick,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04208-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 559236



but then I'm not sure what this record is ............. ???? the banns??

residence: Tipton
spouse: Mary Shephard
marriage: Sep 14 — Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

record title: England, Warwickshire Parish Registers, 1538-1900

name: William Hayden
event: Marriage
event place: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
spouse: Mary Shephard
digital folder number: 4290976



sylvia

I agree with what you say.

Just a tip when searching for Keziah, only put Kez* because sometimes it has an 'h' on the end and sometimes it hasn't. Forgive me if you're already aware of this.


Ozi

I too was wondering about the validity of the George and young Keziah found on the two census because of the supposed marriage date of George and Elizabeth(Betsy Ann). I have searched for an alternatice marriage possibly later but have found none. I have also re-checked the two census returns in case there was another Keziah Walker somewhere but nothing. I have also tentatively tried just inputting Keziah with no surname but with year of birth +/- in the hopes of finding Keziah with someone else in the area or surrounding area but have not found anyone as yet. I was wondering if young Keziah had actually died but have not found a death. I did find a marriage for a Keziah Walker to someone called Ison, but obviously I cannot be sure if it is the one on the census or if it is actually the one we are searching for. I have no idea about the possibility of young Keziah being 'adopted' by a Walker family member as I have not investigated the Walker side at all. I was only really doing the Shephard line and found the Shephard/Walker marriage. Never mind, we have given it a good try and sometimes you have to admit defeat rather than inpout what could be incorrect information. Thank you so much for your efforts.

No, I don't think this is your George and young Kezia.

Your George:
Marriages Jun 1871
SHEPARD Kezia Foleshill 6d 580
WALKER George Foleshill 6d 580

1 year later, other George who has young Kezia:
Marriages Dec 1872
BUTLER Elizabeth Foleshill 6d 677
Walker George Foleshill 6d 677 (Coal Miner, c1841 from Foleshill according to census)

Mary Ellen is born 4 years later.
Your Kezia Shepherd dies 8 years later.
Deaths Jun 1880
Walker Kezia 28 Foleshill 6d 259



Afterthought:
It's too much of a coincidence for the girls not to be twins (and the name!!!). Is it possible young Kezia was adopted by a childless Walker relative? A cousin perhaps.

Just thinking out loud.

Ozi

Ozibird - that is brilliant. I never dreamed that Mary Ellen was a twin. In fact the only way I knew of her existence was that because on the 1881 census, she is living with Kezia Shephard's elder brother Eli and his wife who appeared to have had no children of their own. That certainly solves the mystery of Kezia Shephard/walker. Her husband didn't take long to remarry did he ? Then again I suppose being left with two little children presented problems and letting one go to childless relatives was a perfect solution. Thank you so much for solving this mystery. My brain was so befuddled last night, I could neither think or see straight !!

Well, it looks as if the birth registrations are an amazing coincidence. As this George married Elizabeth Butler in 1872.

1881 England Census
Name: Keziah Walker
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Walker
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Walker
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedworth, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Bedworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: King St Spittle Fields

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill
Household Members:
Name Age
George Walker 40
Elizabeth Walker 41
Martha Butler 72 - mother-in-law.
Keziah Walker 5

Looks like Mary Ellen was a twin.

Births Jun 1876
Walker Kezia Foleshill 6d 501
Walker Mary Ellen Foleshill 6d 501

???
1891 England Census
Name: Keziah Walker
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Walker
Mother's Name: Betsy Walker
Gender: Female
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England [Bedworth on image]
Civil parish: Bedworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bedworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Spitalfields

Occupation: Tape weaver

Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill
Household Members:
Name Age
George Walker 46 - Bricklayer's labourer
Betsy Walker 49 - wife; Bedworth
Martha Badler 81 - [Butler on image] Mother; Bedworth
Keziah Walker 15

What are you missing about Kezia? Her marriage is registered in June qtr so probably this one in 1871.

1871 England Census
Name: Kezia Shepperd
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Shepperd
Gender: Female
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Foleshill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Foleshill
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Coventry & Hinckley Turnpike Road

Occupation: Silk Weaver


Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Shepperd 67 - widow; Silk Weaver; Leicester.
Kezia Shepperd 20


If she died in 1880 she won't be on 1881.

Ozi

It's certainly a possibility and I have made a note of it. I have had a most unsuccessful day today and have had enough. I am also searching for Mary's younger sister Kezia Shephard b. 1852. I have her married 1871 to a George Walker and a possible death 1880. I know she had one daughter Mary Ellen b. abt 1877 but once again there is no sign of them. My eyes are nearly falling out of my sockets so I am giving up just now and will have another go tomorrow. Thank you very much for trying to help.

Could they be this couple in Birmingham? It just says born Warwickshire for them.

1871 England Census
about Mary Haydon Name: Mary Haydon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Haydon
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
William Haydon 26
Mary Haydon 27
Helena Haydon 1
George Haydon 15


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3132; Folio: 41; Page: 19; GSU roll: 839586.

Thanks Madbull - that's the one I thought but no way can I find this flippin woman and her spouse on 1871 census. I will try on 1881 census and if not I'll call it a day.

This looks like the marriage on Familysearch:

MARY SHEPHARD Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM HEYDEN Family
Marriage: 03 NOV 1862 Saint Lawrence, Foleshill, Warwick, England


It's extracted.

yes brummiejan - they are definitely two possibilities and I will note them just in case. Thank you so much for trying.

Two 1871 possibles??

1871 England Census

Name: Mary Haydon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Haydon
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham

William Haydon 26
Mary Haydon 27
Helena Haydon 1
George Haydon 15


1871 England Census

Name: Mary Haden
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Haden
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood

William Haden 30
Mary Haden 27
Hester Haden 5
Maria Haden 3