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John

John Report 25 Feb 2011 00:02

trying to find marriage for Alfred Hudston b 1880 Ockbrook Derbyshire to Ellen ??? pos 1906-1908 pos Derbyshire
John S

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Feb 2011 00:05

Have you looked on FreeBMD ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Feb 2011 00:07

1911 so this is where you got the christian name from

HUDSTON, Alfred Head Married M 31 1880 Shoe Repairer Ockbrook Derbyshire VIEW
HUDSTON, Ellen Wife Married
4 years F 26 1885 Ockbrook Derbyshire VIEW
HUDSTON, Frank Alfred Son M 2 1909 Ockbrook Derbyshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20855 Reference:
RG14PN20855 RG78PN1245 RD434 SD5 ED5 SN172

Registration District:
Shardlow Sub District:
Spondon Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Ockbrook

Address:
Green Lane Ockbrook Derbyshire

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Feb 2011 00:08

Okay can see the problem

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
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HUDSTON Alfred Shardlow 7b 1063
STEVENSON Sarah Ann Shardlow 7b 1063
STONE Edward John W Shardlow 7b 1063

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 00:52

you might have to buy Frank's birth certficate to find out his mother's maiden name


Births Dec 1908 (>99%)

Hudston Frank Alfred Shardlow 7b 557



sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 00:54

Do you know if they had any other children??


If so, it is possible to look on freebmd for births after 1911 ..... mother's maiden name shows on records after mid-1911


That would give you a clue




sylvia

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 25 Feb 2011 00:56

most likely

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Ellen Wheatley
Name: Ellen Wheatley
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shardlow
County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1003 (click to see others on page) {1063}blurred image

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 25 Feb 2011 01:01

1891 England Census about Ellen Wheatley
Name: Ellen Wheatley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Mark Wheatley
Mother's Name: Hannah Wheatley
Gender: Female
Where born: Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Ockbrook
Ecclesiastical parish: Ockbrook All Saints
Town: Ockbrook
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Spondon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Wheatley 44
Hannah Wheatley 47
Agnes A Wheatley 17
Ada Wheatley 14
Frank Wheatley 11
Ellen Wheatley 6

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 01:23

Lindsey


I looked at that one ..... and on my version, blown up to 200% and 500%

............... it did look more like 1003 not 1063


so I was doubtful that it was Alfred's Ellen without more proof.


although I must admit that looking at her registration record is also strange ............. it has 3 women and 1 man!


Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)

HOLE Annie Shardlow 7b 1003
SMITH George Shardlow 7b 1003
TOWNSEND Florence Clara Shardlow 7b 1003
WHEATLEY Ellen Shardlow 7b 1003




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 01:26

Do you think this is a job for Derek and his Derbyshire records???




sylvia

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 25 Feb 2011 01:55

yup, I'm going by Ellen being the only Ockbrook born !

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 04:28

lol!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 04:37

I've asked Derek to have a look on here!

John

John Report 25 Feb 2011 11:46

thank you all for your help

John

Derek

Derek Report 25 Feb 2011 12:22

Good morning.....Sylvia has contacted me on my own Derbyshire thread and asked me to help.........

I have all the HUDSTON information but only up yo 1910!!.....Ockbrook Parish Records no less........

I have full details of the Hudston family.with baptisms and siblings etc.

BUT I do not have a marriage for Alfred in 1907.nor a baptism for Frank .

I have also done the Marriage record route for Shardlow April 1907..and both parties should surely appear on the same page???

I've done a lot of this to find female spouses and it usually works..but not in this case..........I'm fairly sure they did not have a church wedding because they would apear in my records......

I've seen the page numbers for the weddings of ELLEN in April 1907...and it appears very odd that one of them is 1003....

So it looks like i failed!.but if you want the earlier information I have it all.

Good luck
EDIT 12.45pm...........BUT I have just found Ellen Wheatley and Alfred Hudston living a couple of hundred yards apart in Ockbrook 1891.....too much of a co-incidence????


Derek.

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 25 Feb 2011 13:53

Yes it's one of those Derek, where I just feel its the right couple ,I still havent found a match for Florence Townsend the other stray on the marriage records quoted, so unless John feels the urge to throw a bit of money at it and get the cert Ellen Wheatley it will be. Thanks for looking.

Derek

Derek Report 25 Feb 2011 18:58

Florence Clara Townsend allegedly on Page 1003 April 1907...was born in Derby itself 1878 daughter of frederick and mary Ann..which makes her less likely i think.............

Derek.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2011 19:48

Thanks Derek!



I think John really does HAVE to buy that certificate for Alfred Hudston to see who he married.




sylvia

Derek

Derek Report 25 Feb 2011 21:56

Me again........those who know are pleased that i usually take what may be a simple enquiry as far as i can.and give much more info than was originally requested. i enjoy doing itand it keeps the grey matter swilling around!

Im aware thst the Hudston family peior ro 1900 is well documented on census returns.....but not baptism dates........so i offer my findings from the Oxkbrook Parish Records..in the hope that some devious so and so might find useful links into the 20th century..for instance the siblings of Alfred will be somewhere on the 1911 Census..and whi knows..a Wheatley might pop up!!


WILLIAM FEDERICK HUDSTON married JANE DOWMAN 06.06.1838 at Ockbrook.......

They had probably three children CAROLINe born 18.07.1854 and WILLIAM 22.05.1862..who , for some reasom were both baptised (at Ockbrook) 24.02.1874...........This was a very common prectice.
WIILIAM married Mary Hogg at Pckbrook 02.08.1879


Another of their children JAMES HUDSTON born 1846.....

He married MARY ANN CARRINGTON from Northants 23.03.1870..one of the witnesses being Fanny Carrington..presumably her mother....

They had the following children:-

Jeanette born 13.05.1872
Sabina born 11.05.1874..both baptised 06.09.1874
Arthur Peter baptised 08.07.1876
Baxter 20.03.1877
ALFRED 19.10.1879
Fanny Maria 25.12.1881
They had two other children who were baptised in adulthood..so God knows when they were born....
Jaens baptised 30.07.1893
Mary Ann baptised 07.10.1893...

bear in mind that,unless specifically stated from about 1870 onwards.all Parish Records are for Baptisms not Births..in the same way.death records are for Burial. not Death.........
EDIT 22.07//WILLIAM HUDSTON buried Ockbrook 05.04.1910 aged 94 and his wife Jane buried ockbrook 20.09.1899 aged 81
WILLIAM HUDSTON baptised (two days old) 11.03.1816 son of James and Mary nee Burken
JANE DOWMAN baptised Ockbrook 10.01.1819 daughter of Thmas and Elizabeth...

Phew!!!

Derek.

John

John Report 25 Feb 2011 23:20

Hi Derek
Thank You for this info
My wife is Janet Susan Gice she lived at church st Ockbrook her older sister still lives there now,Janeeta Hudston was her grandmother.
Janets parents used to run the Post Office in Ockbrook,
Are you related to the Hudsun`s by any chance ??
Regards
John