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Deaths Dec 1880 (>99%)
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GARDNER James 33 Liverpool 8b 163

Is this him?
1871 Mount Pleasent Liverpool D20 >12
james Gardiner born 1813 Herefordshire Biscuit manufacturer
Rose J D 1834 carlisle
James 1847 liverpool biscuit manufacturer.

1861 wife of James 1813 is Ann grace 1813 lancashire.

1881 James the son is not with them.

Maryb

Sorry I have told you wrong it was my other side of the family whose father was Patrick

Well, at least we can now see that you have at least 'made the effort'

I will go and take a look but have to go off very soon so will pick it up again in the morning.

Dea x

If I do find the certificate I remember it only told me that his father's name was Patrick

If I do find the certificate I remember it only told me that his father's name was Patrick

I wish I could find it. I have searched everywhere. Have all other certificates together

Margaret,

If you have the cert and genuinely want help - I think the very least you can do is go and find it !!

The details from there could save us a great deal of time and effort in finding the correct info for you!

Dea Xxx

I have just gone back into my tree and found out that James was a confectioner

When you find it can you let us know what his occupation was and also his father should be mentioned

jax

Witnesses may help too.He address also if it is on.

Maryb

Can't find the certificate

Occupation from the cert please?

jax

Marriage certificate

How do you know he was born approx 1852?

Thats why I wondered whether he was a seaman as he was from Liverpool

jax

This one fits the age but a long way from home !

Deaths Jun 1880
Gardiner James - 27 - Reading 2c 229

Maybe this is him ?

Household:1881

William CLAMPITT Head M Male 37 Lpool, Lancashire, England Baker
Eliza CLAMPITT Wife M Female 32 Lpool, Lancashire, England
James W. CLAMPITT Son Male 10 Lpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Jane E. CLAMPITT Daur Female 7 Lpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Thomas CLAMPITT Son Male 5 Lpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
John H. CLAMPITT Son Male 3 Lpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Franklin R. CLAMPITT Son Male 7 m Lpool, Lancashire, England
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James GARDNER Boarder M Male 28 Lpool, Lancashire, England Gen Shopman

Dwelling 8A Combermere St
Census Place Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England


NO ...

Looks like James died.
This must be Susan and sons

Household:1881

Isabella MC KENNA Head W Female 59 Scotland
Susan GARDINER Daur W Female 30 Scotland <<<<< <<<<< Note where born
Chas. MC KENNA Son U Male 28 Scotland Cook (ND)
Peter S. MC KENNA Son U Male 25 Scotland Cook (ND)
Isabella SHAPTON Daur M Female 22 Scotland
John SHAPTON Son In Law M Male 26 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cook (ND)
Eliza Jane MC KENNA Daur U Female 17 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Saleswoman
Chas. Jas. GARDINER Grand Son U Male 3 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Wm. Jno. GARDINER Grand Son U Male 1 Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Dwelling 49 Anderson St
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England

Have you got them on any census ? James was'nt a seaman by any chance was he?

jax

Here's the marriage:-

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
Gardiner James West Derby 8b 640
McKenna Susan W. Derby 8b 640

which will give you fathers names and occupations.

Oops! that was silly.