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Jayne

Jayne Report 4 Jun 2011 15:53

Yes the Hill children are Elizabeth's children.
Lily's date of birth is a guesstimate.
the 1891 census is the Barlow's I'm Looking for now i need to figure out who the second Frederick listed was. :) Note to self imaginative names will be easier for my gt. gt. gt. grandchildren to find. :)

Jayne

Jayne Report 4 Jun 2011 15:44

Rose
Ellen Livinia is my ancestor Thanks.
It is looking likely that John Henry is Harry.
I thought that lizzie was 1st or 2nd eldest she must have been a bossy third child :).

littlelegs

littlelegs Report 31 May 2011 10:36

hi
just to say
i had a harry freeman in my family real name john henry freeman
lorraine

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Marriages Sep 1920
Wright Elizabeth Aston 6d 1222
Hill Frederick Aston 6d 1222

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So are all the Hill children Elizabeth's? The way it's worded it looks like they are Ellen Lavinia's.

Rose

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Elizabeth's marriage?

Marriages Mar 1909
BURLOW Elizabeth Aston 6d 224
WRIGHT George Aston 6d 224

There's a George and Lizzie in 1911 but I don't see a Lily with them.

Rose

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There's no birth for a Helen Livinia Barlow but there is this:

Births Sep 1905
BARLOW Ellen Lavinia Birmingham 6d 189

She married Alfred Kindon and died in 1988. Does this sound correct?

Rose

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Births Sep 1885
Barlow John Henry Aston 6d 224

Rose

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You said:

"Elizabeth Barlow DOB C. 1878 " but Lizzie in 1891 was born c1884.

Rose

patchem

patchem Report 31 May 2011 00:35


Possible?
Deaths Dec 1918
BARLOW Lilian [M_] 30 Aston 6d 800

Second marriage?
Marriages Mar 1921
Barlow John H Glithero Aston 6d 742
Glithero Jane Barlow Aston 6d 742

Births Jun 1921
Barlow Elsie Glithero Aston 6d 1098

(Deaths Mar 1924
Barlow John H 38 Aston 6d 643)

patchem

patchem Report 31 May 2011 00:28

The information that you have given fits with the census I posted for 1891?

Jayne

Jayne Report 31 May 2011 00:22

I have a picture of a grave stone that say's ' Emma Barlow (nee. Binns) DOD 15/11/1920 age 58 also Thomas her husband DOD 20/7/1935 age 76. Also their son Harry Husband of Jane DOD 20/1/1924 age 38' This is the only information I have, except that my Nan who has been right so far, does not think Harry had a different real name.
The only close match is John H Barlow DOD mar-june 1924 Aston 6d 643 but his wife's name Lillian May Holtom does not match with any family knowledge or his grave

Frederick was Harry And Elizabeth's Brother.

Elizabeth Barlow DOB C. 1878
unmarried had Helen Livinia Barlow DOB C. 1898
Married ' Snowy' Wright Died in ww1
Child Lily Wright DOB C. 1900
Married Fred Hill
Children
Olive Emma Hill DOB Dec 1921
Charlie Hill DOB sept 1924
Malcom Hill Sept 1932

Birmingham probably Aston

patchem

patchem Report 30 May 2011 23:55

Harry and Elizabeth with parents Thomas and Emma (except Thomas born before marriage)?
1891 England Census
Thomas Barlow
Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Barlow
Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Basil
Town: Bordesley County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 67 Piece: 2412 Folio: 108
Page Number: 26

Thomas Barlow 33
Emma Barlow 28
Thomas Barlow 11
William Barlow 9
Lizzie Barlow 7
Harry Barlow 5
Frederick Barlow 4
Emma Barlow 4/12
Frederick Barlow 24

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2412; Folio 108; Page 26; GSU roll: 6097522.

patchem

patchem Report 30 May 2011 23:47

OK
Marriages Mar 1882
BARLOW Thomas Aston 6d 288
BINNS Emma Aston 6d 288

patchem

patchem Report 30 May 2011 23:37

Elizabeth Barlow marriage?
Elizabeth Barlow
Spouse Surname: Wright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Registration district: South Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 291

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Probably not if this is correct:
Olive M Hill
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wright
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Leicester
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 474

We need some dates as we are just working in the dark

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There's no death for a Harry Barlow on the date you mention.

Rose

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Who is Elizabeth? How is she related to Frederick from your original post.

We need dates and locations for names.

Rose

Jayne

Jayne Report 30 May 2011 22:42

I am having trouble finding Elizabeth Barlow.
Child Helen Livinia Barlow
Married ' Snowy ' Wright
Child Lily Wright
Married Fred Hill
Children Olive Emma Hill
Charlie Hill
Malcom Hill
(I have flashplayer problems)

I also can't seam to find Elizabeth's brother Harry Barlow DOD 20 jan 1924 wife's Name Jane Child's Name Elsie.

Their Parents Name's Were Thomas Barlow And Emma Binns

patchem

patchem Report 11 Mar 2011 07:12

1901 England Census
Jane Griffiths
Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Rimeick, Ireland Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Basil Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 33

Jane Griffiths 43 widow bedstead painter (Limerick?)
Frances Griffiths 14
Elsie Griffiths 12
George Griffiths 9
Robert Griffiths 4

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2855; Folio: 53; Page: 6.

patchem

patchem Report 11 Mar 2011 07:04

THORNE, Jane Ann Head Widow F 53 1858 Bedstead Dipper Ireland
GRIFFITHS, George John Son Single M 19 1892 Capstan Hand Warwickshire Bham
GRIFFITHS, Robert Henry Son Single M 12 1899 School Boy Warwickshire Bham
BARLOW, Fred Son In Law Married under 1 year M 24 1887 Emery Grinder Warickshire Birmingham
BARLOW, Elsie Daughter Married F 21 1890 Warickshire Birmingham
RG number: RG14 Piece: 18168 Reference: RG14PN18168 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED21 SN154 Registration District: Aston Sub District: Deritend Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Aston Address: 18 Derby St Birmingham County: Warwickshire

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Births Jun 1889
Griffiths Elsie May Aston 6d 283

Added: Jane has had 13 children, 4 still living