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Hi Gary,

thanks Cynthia for your comments, but rest assured I am still here, and delighted to get the post. I had been in Europe on holiday for a bit, tracking down some of my Dutch family links.

I believe I have a copy of Emma Harveys marriage cert, saved on my work computer. I will check it tomorrow for you. I also have contact with a Harvey descendant in Australia who is specialising in the Ferrar famiy links. If I don't have the information, then I am certain she will.

Please be patient, I assure you I will come back to you as soon as possible

Roz

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Regards. Cx.

Hello Roz, my ggg grandmother's sister, Jane Cook, married a Frederick Augustus Ferrar in 1842. Jane died in 1862 and Frederick married Emma Harvey in 1867. Frederick Rickard Ferrar was the son of Frederick Augustus Ferrar and Jane Cook but I thought it was his father (Frederick Augusts) who married Emma. How do we know Emma married Frederick Rickard Ferrar?

Frederick (whichever Frederick it was) and Emma had a son Henry Augustus Ferrar who died in Adelaide, Australia, in 1943. He was married and had 4 children,

Gary Kent
Canberra, Australia

Sylvia, you research has given me a new child as well, Alice who appears in the 1861 census as a 10 year old.

I shall take your advice and google John and see if i can turn up something. I do wish my Henry Harvey had an exotic middle name! There are as you say so many Harveys in Bristol area, and a vanilla name like Henry is no help in sifting through them.

Roz

Roz


Thta had crossed my mind as well ........................ but Harvey is quite a common name in that area.


Might require quite some digging!

You could try googling, and see if anyone has done that John Harvey's tree.



sylvia

Hello again, in the 1851 census record Henry Harveys occupation is shown as a Victualler.

This raises the question whether he is in fact connected in some way to the Harveys who started Bristol Cream Co. I know that it was a John Harvey that started the company, perhaps he is a relative?

Roz

Thanks again to Sylvia and Jax.

My Henry Harvey married Mary Wybrow in NZ in 1875 and died here in 1914. Charles, his brother, married Mary Johnston in Nov 1871, Melbourne Australia, and died in NZ in 1917.

Henry also had 2 sons Charles and Henry, I am descended from Charles who was born 1879 in NZ, via my Nana Violet Harvey.

I have found that Charles, Henry, Ellen Harveys sister Emma married a Frederick Rickard Ferrar in 1867. Ellen was the witness. I think that Emma went to Australia also, so really I am left chasing Rebecca, William, Frank and Ellens descendants who may have remained in the UK.

Your information is just wonderful thank you, and hopefully some of the matches I now have for George Loft may turn up trumps.

With gratitude for all your assistance, Roz

I wonder if this is the same Charles Harvey as the Charles Harvey in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Charles Edwd Harvey
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: The Kings Own Royal Regiment 1st Battalion and Depot 38 Regiment



He is shown to be a Widower



NO NO NO .................... Charles Edward Harvey's father was Edward Harvey

so this is NOT your guy


I'm leaving it up so that it can be seen to be wrong




sylvia

You're very welcome

Jax found the later censuses, and I found the earlier ones ..... but I think they do match up!


Do make sure that they are your family before spreading them around! I don't guarantee that there are no mistakes!!!




try playing around on that www.familysearch.org/

scroll down to Advanced Search, it allows you to give a bit more informaiton


you may found more information of baptisms, marriages etc





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Good Lord Sylvia, thank you so veyr much for all this informaiton! Its more than I could possibly have hoped for!

I am going to spend time now loading that into my tree and see where it all takes me. The Charles Harvey you have as a soldier, was the brother that went with my Henry to Australia, and we do not have any idea when that was. Will have to spend some time closing the time and informaiton gaps after your information.

I am intrigued that Rebecca lived so long, as all my Nans family are also long livers so that was passed down.

Ellen is my Henrys sister, but I had no record of a marriage/ anything at all so once I load that in to my tree I may get some matches?

I am still wondering what happened to Dad, no death record???

Sylvia, very excitied where this will take me and thank you again for much gap filling!!!

Happy to help with any info I can in NZ or Australia as there are Harvey researchers in Australia who I will be sharing this with, and I know they would be very happy to help in return.

Regards Roz

from the census image of the 1891 census that Jax found

Name Age

Ellen Soft 41 b.ca 1850, Bristol, Head, Widow, Living on own means
Rebecca Harvey 73 .bc1 1818, Britsol, Mother-in-Law, Widow
Esther Doncaster 20 Servant
John De Savignon de Puente Real 37 Occupier of 2 rooms in this hourse. Clerk in Holy Orders

Address:- 24 Edmund St


Ellen's surname is LOFT


from www.familysearch.org/

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: George Martin Loft
groom's birth date: 1840
groom's age: 30
bride's name: Ellen Harvey
bride's birth date: 1849
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 30 Jul 1870
marriage place: Stepney, Middlesex, England
groom's father's name: Richard Cooke Loft
bride's father's name: Henry Harvey
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M00699-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 597244



and from ancestry:-


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Ellen Harvey
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Spouse Name: George Martin Loft
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1870
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
COUNTY: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Harvey
Spouse Father Name: Richard Cooke Loft


from image:-

George

Bachelor
Occupation:- Cloth Merchant
Address:- 9 St Peter's Road
Father occupation:- Bank Clerk

Ellen

Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 9 St Peter's Road
Father occupation:- Accountant

Witnesses:- Henry Harvey, plus 2 others that I cannot read!




sylvia

Information from the census image for the 1871 Census that Jax found

Name Age
Henry Harvey 54 b.ca 18117, Bristol, Solictors Managing Clerk
Rebecca Harvey 52 b.ca 1819, Bristol
Emma Harvey 19 b.ca 1852, Bristol
Frank Harvey 12 b.ca 1859, Bristol, Scholar
Elizabeth Gray 21 Servant
W K Elphinstone 25 Boarder, Medical Student

Address:- 9 St Peter's Rd



sylvia

??????????

possibly Charles in 1861??????????


1861 Census

Name: Charles Howey
[Charles Harvey]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Chichester Subdeanery
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: Barracks



it is harvey on the image




sylvia

When did Henry arrive in Australia??


Could this possibly be him in 1871?

1871 Census

Name: Henry Harvey
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol
Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton

Butcher's Assistant




sylvia

????? Rebecca and 3 children in 1861?


1861 Census

Name: Rebecca Harvey
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol St Nicholas
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Castle Precincts

Eliza Stride 50 Lodging House Keeper
John B L Stride 25
Walter F Stride 2
Hona J Stride 27
James R H Stride 23
Louisa L Stride 17
Alex F A Stride 16
Wm Ward 26
Mary Ward 19
Matthew Ward 13
Joseph Smith 53
Betsey Smith 47
Mary Smith 21
Maria Smith 19
Emma Smith 14
Rebecca Harvey 40 Married, Lady, Lodger
Emma Harvey 21 b.ca 1840, Bristol, Milliner
Henry Harvey 14 b.ca 1847, Bristol
Alice Harvey 10 b.ca 1851, Bristol

Address:- 4 Charlotte Street




sylvia

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record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Rebecca Waite
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 28 Nov 1819
baptism/christening place: Bristol, Gloucester, England
father's name: James Waite
mother's name: Elisabeth Waite
indexing project (batch) number: I04054-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596678





sylvia

??????????????? Henry & Rebecca in 1841


1841 Census

Name: Henry Harvey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: St Philip and St Jacob
Hundred: Barton Regis
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: St Philip and St Jacob

Henry Harvey 25 Publican H / K
Rebecca Harvey 20 b.ca 1821, Gloucestershire
Rebecca Harvey 1 6 MO
Elizabeth Styles 15 Female Servant

Address:- Malela (?? sp.) Place, Lion Beer House (not very clear)



NOTE:- ages of adults over the age of 15 are usaully a little out on the 1841 census ..... the enumerator was supposed to round down to the nearest 5, most did, some did not


Thus age 20 on the census could be any age between 20 and 24, 25 between 25 and 29, and so on.


question is, where is William Henry?



sylvia

???????????baptisms of children?????????



from www.familysearch.org/


a free site, so you can look things up on there as well!


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: William Henry Metford Harvey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Jun 1837
baptism/christening place: St. Philip and St. Jacob's Church, Bristol, Gloucester, England
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04309-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1595984


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Rebecca Harvey
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 20 Aug 1837
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Emma Harvey
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 26 Sep 1839
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: James Harvey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 12 Jun 1843
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Charles Harvey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 10 Nov 1845
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Henry Harvey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 16 Mar 1847
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Ellen Harvey
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 Jan 1851
baptism/christening place: St. Stephen's Church, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
birth date: 16 Dec 1848
father's name: Henry Harvey
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C04227-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1597025



sylvia

???

Name: Rebecca Harvey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 90
DISTRICT: Bradford
COUNTY: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 78 (click to see others on page)

????

I wonder if this is Rebecca and Henry in 1851?


1851 Census

Name: Rebecca Harvey
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Harvey
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol St Stephen
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Castle Precincts

Henry Harvey 36 b.ca 1815, Bristol, Victualler
Rebecca Harvey 32
Wm Hy Harvey 14 b.ca 1837, Bristol, Son, Apprentice to Druggist
Rebecca Harvey 18 b.ca 1833, Bristol, Daughter, Scholar <<<<<<<< I think the age on the census is actually 10, which makes her born ca 1841
Elizabeth Stesfall 62 b.ca 1789, Bristol, Grandmother-in-law, Formerly Butcher
Emma Hazell 18 Domestic Servant

Address:- 17 Princess Street


I have sent in a birth year change for Rebecca



NOTE:- you may find that son Henry was actually born in Princess Street, not Princes .................... the address on this census has the old-fashioned way of writing ss, which looks like an fs




sylvia