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I had looked at those too Helen but it is the child I am most interested in. I can't trace her after the 1841. She may have died of course but Iain needs to check the census details when he goes to the Library in Greenock and also check for any deaths so we can discount her if necessary.

Not sure about the original 1841 census image ... only available using credits.

This one matches the Ancestry info.


Piece: SCT1841/565 Place: Houston & Killellan -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 3b
Civil Parish: Houston & Killellan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 5
Address: Crosslee

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CALDWELL James M 50 Shoe Maker Ireland
CALDWELL Mary F 40 Ireland
CALDWELL Mary F 19 Cotton Worker Ireland
CALDWELL James M 17 Cotton Worker Ireland
CALDWELL Alexander M 14 Cotton Worker Ireland
CALDWELL Elizabeth F 10 Cotton Worker Ireland
CALDWELL William M 5m Renfrewshire
ARMOUR Mary F 20 Cotton Worker Renfrewshire
ARMOUR Mary F 4m Renfrewshire


Wondering if this might be the Mary (age 20yrs) mentioned above ... 10yrs on ... same occupation and district.

Piece: SCT1851/565 Place: Houston & Killellan -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Houston & Killellan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 447 Page: 10 Schedule: 31
Address: Crosslee, Woodhouse's Land

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ARMOUR Elizabeth Head U F 28 Grocer Ireland - -
ARMOUR Mary Sister U F 26 Machiner In Cotton Mill Ireland - -
ARMOUR Margaret Sister U F 24 Topper In Cotton Mill Ireland - -
STEEL John Lodger U M 24 Flyer In Cotton Mill Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch

This keeps coming back to haunt me. Mary Armour with a 4 month old daughter Mary. I'm not sure whether she is with this family or not as there is a possibility she has been entered twice. Once born Ireland and again born Renfrewshire. If possible can someone check the original census image in 1841 on Scotland's People

ED: 3A; Page: 5; Line: 650; Roll: ; Year: 1841.



Mary Armour
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Renfrewshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Houston and Killellan
COUNTY: Renfrewshire
Address: Crosslee
Occupation: Cotton Worker
Parish Number: 565
Household Members: Name Age
James Caldwell 50
Mary Caldwell 40
Mary Caldwell 19
James Caldwell 17
Alexander Caldwell 14
Elizabeth Caldwell 10
William Caldwell 5 MO
>>Mary Armour 20
>>Mary Armour 4 MO

Can't find any marriage information prior to the marriage to Catherine Sharp .. for Humphrey Canning or Buchanan.

The only birth information likely to be found for Mary Buchanan c.1841 would be from a christening record as birth registration did not begin until 1855. No sign of a christening record.

Searched using only Mary's christian name ... and mother's name of Mary Armour in case Humphrey wasn't her father ... still no sign.


The only marriage for a Humphrey Buchanan was to a Jean Boyle in 1804 in Renfrew .... no children listed for this marriage.

It sounds like the Humphrey I'm looking for, as in his Daughters marriage to John Devlin in 1862, his occuptation is given as Ship Carpenter.

However again talking about marriages, had another look at the image on Marys mariage her Mother m.s Armour is given as deceased. Had to download the image and enhance it just enough to read it.

Could be him Helen of could be a complete red herring. Seems a bit of a coincidence though.
EDIT: No not him unfortunately. Just checked the original image again and his age is given as 36 which makes him born in 1819 whereas Humphrey in Greenock was born 1809 according to the census.

That looks interesting Astra.

I had a look earlier for the death of Humphrey Buchanan in Scotland but couldn't find him.

Assumed he must have died pre 1855 before death records began.

I'm wondering about this. Perhaps someone in Australia would be able to check him out further.

You searched for Humphrey Buchanan in Scotland
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All New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930 ResultsNew South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930
about Humphrey Buchanan

Name: Humphrey Buchanan
Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland
Immigration Date: 1855
Vessel Arrived In: William
Date of Admission/Photo: 1859
Gaol: Darlinghurst
Gaol Location: Darlinghurst, New South Wales
Record Type: Description Book

In the 1851 census Humphrey is noted as Carpenter. This chap is a shipwright which is basically a carpenter working on ships. Could be why he doesn't appear after the 1851 or it could be someone completely unrelated.


From 1866 to 1869 there is a Humphrey Buchanan Shipwright living in Balmain New South Wales.

??

Watt Library BMD Index:

Buchanan : Elizabeth, 2nd daughter of late Humphries Buchanan, died at Ben Clyde House, Upper Ashton, Gourock on 16th August 1884 (Greenock Telegraph 18.8.1884)

You live in Greenock!!

Well that confirms that Sophia is her sister and Mary names one of her daughters Sophia so maybe we are on the right road. I have to keep coming and going but I had a quick look for a previous marriage for Humphrey but can't find one.

Live in Greenock, so might have to pop downto James Watt Library as they hold a copy of the census records from 1841.

Looks like Humphrey was married to a Mary Armour (possible mother of Mary) then married to Catherine Sharpe?

Had one of these before and it's a pain to find the right people...wonder if Buchanan and Canning were mistaken when registred as you know people just wrote what they heard and sod with the actual spelling of the surnames.

However where did Canning or Buchanan come from if Humphreys name was other than that?

Nothing but questions.

Sophia's birth ...


SOPHIA BUCHANAN


Birth:
01 MAY 1853 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: HUMPHREY BUCHANAN Family
Mother: CATHERINE SHARP

Humphrey and Catherine's marriage:

HUMPHREY BUCHANAN

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: CATHERINE SHARPE
Marriage:
28 NOV 1848 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland


As Astra mentioned, looks like this was a second marriage for Humphrey and Mary was a child from his first.

Thanks for that Helen. That looks good to me.

This could be Elizabeth who is seen with Mary in 1851. Sister Sophia

Elizabeth Buchanan
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Registration Number: 554
Registration district: Kilmory
Civil parish: Kilmory
COUNTY: Bute
Address: Torbeg
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 20
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_73
Household Members: Name Age
Donald Robertson 81
Janet Robertson 67
Donald Robertson 28
Catherine Robertson 24
Elizabeth Buchanan 9
Sophia Buchanan 7
Mary Robertson 2

Good find, Astra,

Can't see a birth for Mary ... but here is one for Elizabeth Buchanan mentioned in the 1851 census. Note her mother's name 'Sharp'

ELISABETH BROWN BUCHANAN
Female

Birth:
Christening:
24 DEC 1850 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: HUMPHRY BUCHANAN
Mother: CATHERINE SHARP

For ref: In case a family naming pattern crops up.


Father: John Devlin,
Mother: Mary Canning

Children:

1. SOPHIA DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 JAN 1871 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
2. MARY DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 OCT 1866 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
3. JANE DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 SEP 1868 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
4. MICHAEL DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 OCT 1875 Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
5. AGNES DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 17 JAN 1883 Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
6. PATRICK JAMES DEVLIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 APR 1873 Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

??Might be worth a look at the original image for this census on Scotlands People. Humphrey born 1809 Glasgow. Could be that Mary has died and he has re-married.

Mary Buchanan
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Humphey Bridermond
Mother's name: Catherine Duncan
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Scotland
Parish Number: 564
Civil parish: Greenock Middle
COUNTY: Renfrewshire
Address: 5 Manse Lane Greenwells Land
ED: 49
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_119
Household Members: Name Age
Humphey Bridermond 42
Catherine Duncan 38
Daniel Brown 32
William Watt 26
Mary Buchanan 10
Elizabeth Buchanan 1

Yeah that sounds like them, so it seems she was born in Greenock. Still no luck on finding a Birth Cert for her.

Thanks for your help on this one.