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Hi Sue, i have looked at your John William and i think it looks promising, so will send for the birth cert. Thanks for all your help, will get back to you. Thanks to everyone else that helped.

These are all the births from Freebmd for William ,,,Bishop in 1872/1873..

Clerkenwell came under Holborn.Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
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BISHOP William James St. Giles 1b 527

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Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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Bishop William Henry Islington 1b 357
Bishop William Henry Hackney 1b 433
Bishop William Patrick Poplar 1c 685

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Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
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???????BISHOP William Frederick Holborn 1b 639

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Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
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BISHOP William Whitechapel 1c 387
BISHOP William Francis Strand 1b 587

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Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Bishop William Pancras 1b 109
Bishop William Alfred Lambeth 1d 440
Bishop William John St. Saviour 1d 10
Bishop William John St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 327

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Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
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BISHOP William Francis St. Giles 1b 526
BISHOP William Henry Greenwich 1d 742
BISHOP William John Pancras 1b 108

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Births Sep 1873 (>99%)
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Bishop William Islington 1b 223
>>>>>>>>>Bishop William Charles Holborn 1b 670
Bishop William Charles Chelsea 1a 299
Bishop William Henry Islington 1b 365
Bishop William Henry Pancras 1b 175
Bishop William Robert Woolwich 1d 966

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Births Dec 1873 (>99%)
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BISHOP William Hackney 1b 460

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You would need to send for one of the certs to prove which William Bishop has a father William on his birth cert..

I am saying that that 1881 Censu I put on is a possibility for your William.

Back in the 1880's a lot of people only gave their Christian names when they got married.And if William Bishop 1873 only knew his Father was William not John William then thats the name he would have gave to the registrar/Vicar.

This is the nearest parish records
William Frederick Bishop
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1872
Baptism Date: 18 Aug 1872
Father's name: John William Bishop
Mother's name: Ann Bishop
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

And this looks like the only William Frederick
Births Sep 1872
BISHOP William Frederick Holborn 1b 639

so what your saying is, his father could be John William,it certainly looks promising,but how on earth can i prove it!

There is this William Bishop born 1873 in Clerkenwell on the 1881 census..

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, William
Address: 22, Paradise Ple, Islington

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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BISHOP, John W Head Married M 50 1831 Packer
Carshalton
Surrey
BISHOP, Nancy Wife Married F 49 1832
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, Henry Son Single M 18 1863 Machine Lad
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, Alice Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Clerkenwell
Middlesex

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Don't forget the fathers changed their jobs every few months because there may not have been jobs going,so had to take any job.

There is the parents marriage.....You will notice that he is John William but could have been know as William.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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BISHOP John William Clerkenwell 1b 683
Blizard Nancy Clerkenwell 1b 683
Mountford Jane Clerkenwell 1b 683
WARNER Benjamin Buckley Clerkenwell 1b 683





RG number:
RG11 Piece:
265 Folio:
12 Page:
17

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Islington East Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Paradise Ple, Islington County:
Middlesex



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Hi am just off to look up the paperwork and see if there is anything i have missed,will check in later

No middle names were ever used

Yes that is him,as i said earlier his brother went to Canada,ive found the children but William the dad is stopping me going back any further

These are the only William/William born 1871/1873 in London

William Alfred Bishop 23 Apr 1871 William Jenkins Bishop,
Charlotte Bishop Kensington St James Norlands Kensington and Chelsea

William George Bishop 21 Nov 1873 William George Bishop,
Annie Bishop Hoxton St Saviour Hackney

Neither look that likely.
Did your William ever use any middle names?

Doreen,

Have you checked for deaths re William&Rebecca?

Could this be John their son?

census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, John
Institution: St John Industrial School, ST JOHN'S SCHOOL

Cost:
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census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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BISHOP, John Inmate Single M 15 1896 School Shoemaker London St Lukes VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9762 Reference:
RG14PN9762 RD188 SD10 ED89 SN9999

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Walthamstow Enumeration District:
89 Parish:
Woodford

Address:
Shernhall St Walthamstow County:
Essex

Yes that is my tree, the earlier children have left and some have died in infancy

HI guys, thanks for your help, i don't know if this helps, the last known address i have is 38, Bath Street, London

Doreen, is that your tree on Ancestry that has 15 children born to William and Rebecca?

I've searched the 1911 census and am struggling to find the earlier born children.

Yes i know,thats another puzzle to solve!

Witnesses Alfred Jarman and Annie Higgins.They all stayed in this country except James who went to Canada.

Here's the marriage details~


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Bishop < Costermonger
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Rebecca Bowen
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1894
Parish: St Paul, Clerkenwell
County: London
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Bishop < Bricklayer

Rebecca's father's name was William Bowen - Jeweller.

Address for both is St Thomas Place. Witnesses Alfred Jarman, Irene (?) Higgins.

There is a note at the bottom of the page which says "Same afternoon stabbed a police and is in prison". It doesn't say who did this.

OK,
He is a horsekeeper groom on 1901 census, at St Thomas Place.
Sorry, added to my post above - what was his father's profession on the marriage certificate?
Also, did they all stay in this country?
Thanks

Added
We seem to keep on cross-posting, thanks for extra information.

Do you have the marriage cert with both the Williams occupations?

Any witness names?

Ann

William was a costermonger and his father was a bricklayer on the marriage cert

Hi,no,i could.nt find them.