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help needed to solve a mystery please

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kath23

kath23 Report 13 May 2011 16:28

Mary,
I have been told that it will cost quite a bit to search the electoral rolls unless I go to the library in Bury { I live in Wales now so going to Bury is not possible at the moment }

Does anyone know of a good site for searching the electrol rolls that will not cost me too much please ?
regards Kath

kath23

kath23 Report 13 May 2011 16:23

You are all wonderful.
I had not realised the death for Ethel Terry had been mis-transcribed I must have been lucky when I found the death ref in finding the correct one. Just for interest she died of TB at 48 Woodhill street

PAM William Terry died in 1969 he did not have a middle name so it is not the one you found.
MARY the Jacksons lived in Bury as far back as I can find so no connections with Norfolk
regards kath

Mary

Mary Report 13 May 2011 16:16

Could you try electoral records for Samuel and Susannah Birks,either side of the war years at 18,Pearson Street.

Maybe that would give a clue to Maggie

Maryb

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 May 2011 15:53

Deaths Dec 1912 (>99%)

Terry Ethel 22 Bury 8c 538

Note this has the same ref as the one Mary found for 1914.

Astra

Astra Report 13 May 2011 15:51

Deaths Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Terry Ethel 22 Bury 8c 538


The numbers are the same but the year is 1912. Somewhere along the line the year has been mistranscribed as 1914. Just checked the original image on Free BMD and it is 1912. Went to Ancestry and the original image is not available so maybe someone has reported the error.

Mary

Mary Report 13 May 2011 15:33

1911 18,Pearson Street.
Edgar Greenhaulgh 1885 heywood
Elizabeth 1885 Heywood
Eric Jackson Greenhaulgh 1909 Heywood

Can't seem to find Ethels death in 1912.

Elizabeth Jackson born 1885 married Edgar.

I have looked for connection to your jackson's but at the moment it seems her ancestors were from norfolk,and Ethel's were Bury/Haslenden.
I.E David Jackson 1824 and Ann married 1847?? had David 1864 married Anne and had Ethel .

Maryb

Alemap

Alemap Report 13 May 2011 15:21

Hi Kath,

Sorry, it is from the 1911 census not 1901 via FMP
He is on the ship HMS Monmouth with the China squadron in Columbo. Google HMS Monmouth for more info.

Pam

William from first census.

1891
Person: TERRY, William
Address: 26, Lord Street, Heap, Heap Bridge, Heywood
TERRY, John Head Married M 44 1847 Paper Maker Edinburgh Scotland
TERRY, Eliza Wife Married F 35 1856 Monmouth
TERRY, Evellina Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar Radcliffe Lancashire
TERRY, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, Florance Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, William Son M 1 1890 Lancashire Heap Bridge
RG number RG12 Piece 3132 Folio 13 Page 23

Registration District
Bury Sub District
Heywood Enumeration District:1
Ecclesiastical Parish St James

Civil Parish Heap
Municipal Borough Heywood
Address 26, Lord Street, Heap, Heap Bridge, Heywood
County Lancashire

1901
Person: TERRY, William
Address: 22, Heap Bridge Lord Street, Heywood

TERRY, Eliza Head Married F 43 1858 Co Not ST Wales
TERRY, Evelina Daughter Single F 20 1881 Paper Sorter In Paper Mill Bury Lancashire
TERRY, John Son Single M 18 1883 Back Tenter In Paper Mill Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, George Son Single M 16 1885 Filler In Paper Mill Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, Florence Daughter F 14 1887 Catcher In Paper Mill Rochdale Lancashire
TERRY, William Son M 10 1891 Heywood Lancashire
TERRY, Henry Son M 7 1894 Heywood Lancashire
RG number RG13 Piece 3641 Folio 16 Page 23

Registration District
Bury Sub District Heywood
Enumeration District 1
Ecclesiastical Parish Heap Bridge St George

Civil Parish
Heywood Municipal Borough
Address 22, Heap Bridge Lord Street, Heywood
County Lancashire

kath23

kath23 Report 13 May 2011 14:57

Pam, Thank you
is this from the census ?

Is the Colombo the registration of the ship ? Is China squadron in the royal navy?
kath

Alemap

Alemap Report 13 May 2011 14:50

William 1901

Person: TERRY, William
Institution: Monmouth, SHIP: MONMOUTH, CHINA SQUADRON, COLOMBO
Military details: Sto 1 Cl (I think this translates as Stoker 1st class)

TERRY, William Single ? 20 1891 Heap Bridge Bury Lancs
RG number RG14
Piece 34972
Reference RG14PN34972 RD640 SD3 ED4 SN9999

Registration District
Sub District
Enumeration District 4
Parish
Address
County Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad

Alemap

Alemap Report 13 May 2011 14:34

Mary, Pearson St and Woodhill St are just under 2 miles apart.

kath23

kath23 Report 13 May 2011 14:29

Hi Everyone,
First Ethel died on 09/11/1912,I have her death certificate
I cannot find out much info on William Terry's navlal career.
The only thing I have is from his marriage certificates
On the one to Ethel Jackson in 1909 it says he is in the naval barracks at portsmouth and on the one to Annie Wilkinson in 1919 it says he is a stoker on a steam ship for the royal navy
Maddie has the correct John Terry details as does Maureeninny

K I cannot find a marriage for John and on the POW record it says sister miss Maggie Terry ditto. Above her name is the address 18 pearson street so I assume the ditto means that she lived there too.

Hope the above has helped.
Really do appreciate everyone helping
regards Kath
PS Maddie I do not know the Terry births that you have found but William Terry had three brothers ,john george and harry,who could have married I have not traced their marriages.

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 May 2011 14:07

terry/jackson births btn 1904 - 1915
TERRY Launcelot Dobinson England Lancashire, Bury 1904 VIEW
TERRY Florence England Lancashire, Bury 1908 VIEW
TERRY Fred England Lancashire, Bury 1908 VIEW
TERRY John England Lancashire, Bury 1909

Mary

Mary Report 13 May 2011 13:57

18,Pearson street Bury BL9 6

48,Woodhill Street BL8 1.

So were these 2 addresses near each other!!

Annie Terry O/N/D 1913 nee Jackson in Haslingden lancs 8e 143.

Are there any army records for William stating where he was and when during the time he was married to Ethel?

Maryb.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 13 May 2011 13:52

Just for ref:
In Memory of
Corporal JOHN TERRY

3855492, 2nd Bn., The Loyal Regiment (North Lancashire)
who died age 33
on 04 November 1943
Son of William and Ethel Terry; nephew of Mrs. S. Birks, of Bury, Lancashire.
Remembered with honour

Maureen

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 May 2011 13:45

could this be the one ?
Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945 - soldier details
Printer friendly version
Name: John TERRY
Memorial Scroll
Purchase scroll

Rank: Corporal
Initials: J
Birthplace: Bury
Residence: Bury
Branch at death: Infantry
Regiment, Corps etc.: The Loyal Regt (North Lancashire)
Branch at 01/09/39: Infantry
Regiment, Corps etc.: The Loyal Regt (North Lancashire)
Number: 3855492
Date died: 4 November 1943
Theatre of war: Malaya
Army Roll of Honour 1939-45 database © Naval and Military Press Ltd 2010
army roll of honour results military search results

Contrary Mary

Contrary Mary Report 13 May 2011 13:44


If this is the correct death for Ethel (and I can't find any other likely looking one), then she died in 1914 not 1912

Name: Ethel Terry
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Bury
Registration County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 538


Mary

K

K Report 13 May 2011 13:42

If the records were translated could Maggie have been his wife rather than sister and an error was made in the translation

kath23

kath23 Report 13 May 2011 13:39

Hi Everyone
ETHEL JACKSON was born in 1890 and as far as I know there was no Maggie Jackson in her immediate family.

I did wonder if the John Terry whose pow record I have is the incorrect one but his service number is on it and that is correct.

I have been told that the records were all in Japanese and the military translated them into english but I would think a name would be in english

This is so frustrating , I keep thinking that I could have relatives out there that i know nothing about. Why my mother never mentioned having another brother I will never know .Just do not know how I am going to sort this out
!
thanks for your thoughts any help gratefully appreciated
kath

K

K Report 13 May 2011 13:26

Could the death in 1943 be the wrong person?

K

K Report 13 May 2011 12:55

1911 for info - Ethel looks too young for the 1901 child.

JACKSON, David Head Married M 47 1864 General Labourer Lancashire Baxenden VIEW
JACKSON, Anne Wife Married
23 years F 44 1867 Lanc Bury VIEW
JACKSON, Susannah Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cotton Weaver Calico Lanc Bury VIEW
JACKSON, William Son Single M 15 1896 Doffer Lanc Bury VIEW
JACKSON, Anne Daughter F 12 1899 School Part Time Back Tenter Lanc Bury VIEW
JACKSON, Hilda Daughter F 6 1905 Lanc Bury VIEW
JACKSON, Isaac Brother Single M 58 1853 Scavenger Lanc Bury VIEW
TERRY, Ethel Daughter Married
1 years F 20 1891 Cotton Weaver Calico Lanc Bury VIEW
TERRY, John Grandson M 1 1910 Lanc Bury VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23468 Reference:
RG14PN23468 RG78PN1368 RD462 SD2 ED10 SN195

Registration District:
Bury Sub District:
Elton Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Bury

Address:
48 Woodhill Street Elton Bury Lancashire County:
Lancashire