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I am having difficulty finding the parents and family of Joseph Redfern I think he may have had a sister named Lucy

This is what I know already
Born. October 1886 Bury Lancashire Fathers name Samuel
Died April 1964 Heywood I have grave papers

Married Catherine/Kate Philbin 12 December 1903 I have marriage cert

1901 Census age 15 he was a boarder with a family in Bury
I can't find the family at all on the 1891 Census

He also served with the Lancashire Fusiliers in the 1914-18 war and served overseas

Any help would be much appreciated

Jenny

What is the occupation of his father ?

Witnesses to the marriage any use

Q

May I enquire how you know the month that he was born? There does not appear to be a birth registration of a Joseph Redfern in Bury in the Oct~Dec Qtr 1886.

1911 for reference:

REDFERN, Joseph Head Married M 25 1886 Warp Dyer Lancs Bury
REDFERN, Kate Wife Married 7 years F 28 1883 Cotton Drawer Lancs Radcliffe
REDFERN, John Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Heywood

Registration District: Bury Sub District: Heywood Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Heywood

Address: 15 Longfield Heywood County: Lancashire

Three children had died.

Jenny
Always post info on thread instead of by pm. That allows all members to see the info

GB


Occupation of father on marriage cert says Carter

witnesses to marriage are Maggie Philbin Catherines sister
Walter Barlow

Yes this is the correct Joseph

There's this one on 1911 Married 7 years 4 children, 1 living and 3 died


1911 census - household transcription

Person: REDFERN, Joseph
Address: 15 Longfield Heywood

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image
REDFERN, Joseph Head Married M 25 1886 Warp Dyer Lancs Bury VIEW
REDFERN, Kate Wife Married
7 years F 28 1883 Cotton Drawer Lancs Radcliffe VIEW
REDFERN, John Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Heywood VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23499 Reference:
RG14PN23499 RG78PN1370 RD462 SD4 ED9 SN404

Registration District:
Bury Sub District:
Heywood Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Heywood

Address:
15 Longfield Heywood County:
Lancashire
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Thank you for this info
Jenny

In 1901 he's lodging with the Holts:

HOLT, Mary Head Widow F 39 1862 Cotton Weaver Bury Lancashire
HOLT, John Son M 16 1885 Cotton Weaver Bury Lancashire
HOLT, Sarah A Daughter F 14 1887 Cotton Weaver Bury Lancashire
>REDFERN, Joseph Boarder M 15 1886 Cardroom Hand Cotton Mill Bury Lancashire

Registration District: Bury Sub District: North Bury
Enumeration District: 15 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mark

Civil Parish: Bury Municipal Borough:

Address: 53, Kay Street, Bury County: Lancashire

What is their connection to him, if any?

I did find this info but I can't find him on the 1891 census

Jenny

In 1891 Mary Holt has a son called John, born same year as John Redfern??

HOLT, William Head Married M 30 1861 Cotton Twister Bury Lancashire
HOLT, Mary Wife Married F 29 1862 Cotton Weaver Nelson Lancashire
>HOLT, John Son M 6 1885 Bury Lancashire
HOLT, Sarah A Daughter F 4 1887 Bury Lancashire

Registration District: Bury Sub District: North Bury Enumeration District: 14 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mark

Civil Parish: Bury Municipal Borough: Bury

Address: 14, Kay Street, Bury County: Lancashire

Jenny,

As there does not appear to be a birth registration in Bury perhaps Joseph Redfern was not actually his name at birth. Unfortunately during that Quarter there were lots of Joseph births registered in Bury so it is difficult to determine whether he might be one of those. Apart from the name of his father which I am assuming you obtained from the marriage certificate do your family records contain any other clues about his past?

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Births Dec 1885 (>99%)

Holt Joseph Bury 8c 515

That possibly may be the case as suggested by Maire Celeste

Fathers name Samuel Redfern came from his marriage cert address at time of marriage was 5 Samuel Street Bury

POSSIBLY two of their children who died
Samuel, after grandfather, b June qtr 1904
Joseph, after his father, b March 1906 both registered Bury

They both died in the June qtr 1907 registered Bury

Wendy

They infact they had 6 children Samuel Jack Joseph Hannah Harold

and Elsie

The first 4 died I am told before 2 years old

Harold born 1912 and died 5 yrs

Elsie lived to be 83 yrs old

Jenny

This must be his birth in the June qtr 1886 The cert would give you his parents.


Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
REDFERN Joseph Bury 8c 565

Many thanks I will give this a try

May I ask I have just given his daughters birth cert a closer look and it gives Josephs profession as Private 11th Battalion Royal Fusilier would it be worth going down his service record although when I did this before it just drew a blank

Many thanks

Jenny

What year was his daughters birth cert

I think he is on the birth index under the name Hoyle.....


Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Hoyle Joseph Bury 8c 542



He is on the 1891 census with his brother Samuel, sister Lucy and mother Hannah, using just the surname Hoyle.......but I don't have access to give you full details............


Samuel Hoyle Hannah abt 1881 Bury , Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire

Joseph Hoyle Hannah abt 1886 Bury , Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire

Lucy Hoyle Hannah abt 1890 Bury , Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire



His parents marriage........

Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
HAMER Hannah Bury 8c 475
HOYLE Samuel Redfern Bury 8c 475


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOYLE Samuel Redfern HAMER Hannah Bury, St.John Bury CE5/1/106



His parents, brother & grandmother?? in 1881, with Samuel using just the Redfern part of his name........

1881 England Census
about Samuel Redfearn Name: Samuel Redfearn
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Redfearn
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Radcliffe
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Warth
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

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Occupation: Laborer In Cotton Mill

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: South Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3862
Folio: 110
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Redfearn 33
Hannah Redfearn 31
Saml. Ed. Redfearn
Margt. Hamer 65

Thank you so much I really think that this is the family
Sorry I didn't reply last night but it got rather late and I had to be up early

Although I have no confirmed record of the name Hoyle when I start to think
back I have heard this name mentioned some were in the past

Thank you to you all for all the hard work I now feel that I can continue and don't seem to be hitting my head up against a brick wall

Many Thanks

Jenny