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1841/1851/1861 Census Lookup Please

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juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 07:22

I have the 1841 Census for George Green c1801 Crondale Hampshire m to Maria. They are living with their four sons Henry (15) George (10) Jane (5) Edmund or Edward) (1) at Crondall.
I have just rec from a contact on Ancestry a different family for George & Maria (Possible Lovegrove) He has the Baptisms for a Henry James 1822 - Mark 1826 - Jane 1833 - Jesse 1835 - George 1839 all born Crondall. He also has George's bap as Aug 1796. I don't know whether he has checked any census at all and also wondering if he has the parents as George & Mary which could be a different family. My line is Henry Green and what he has found is Henry James. I can't seem to contact him so was wondering if anybody could help me with finding this family to see what is going on. Any help would be appreciated.
I hope I haven't confused you at all,
kind regards Julia

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 07:50

Just for reference
1841 England Census
George Green
Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male Where born: Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Crondall Hundred: Crondall (Upper Half) County/Island: Hampshire Country: England
Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Odiham and Crondall
Piece: 394 Book: 5 Folio: 4 Page Number: 2

George Green 40
Maria Green 40
Henry Green 15
George Green 10
Jane Green 5
Edmund Green 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 394; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Crondall; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 4; Page: 2; Line: 13; GSU roll: 288798.

Which Green is your ancestor?
Thanks

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 07:52

Henry Green is my line
thanks

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 07:56

Jesse Green, 1835, Hampshire has different parents?

JESSE GREEN
Christening: 25 DEC 1835 Vernham'S Dean, Hampshire, England
Father: JAMES GREEN Mother: JANE C136721

Added
OK, This one
Jesse Green
Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Nov 1835
Baptism/Christening Place: Crondall, Hampshire, England
Father's Name: George Green Mother's Name: Maria Green
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01907-1
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1040287
Reference Number: yrs 1813-1836

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:05

'His' Mark in 1841 is a servant, not with parents.

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 08:10

That is interesting, the bap he had on his tree is your second one George & Maria so it seems as if he is corect with that one. I wonder if there is another census in 1841 for a George & Maria with all these children

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 08:12

Do u think I could look at that census please

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:14

1841 England Census
Mark Green
Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England Civil parish: Odiham
Hundred: Odiham (Lower Half)
Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Odiham and Crondall
Piece: 395 Book: 9 Folio: 13 Page Number: 20

Sarah Tremer 60
Ann Hall 30
Mark Green 15

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 395; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Odiham; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 13; Page: 20; Line: 9; GSU roll: 288798.

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:17

1851 England Census
Maria Green
Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Dogmersfield, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Odiham
Town: Odiham County/Island: Hampshire Country: England
Street Address: Broad Oak
Occupation: charwoman widowed
Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b Household schedule number: 77 Piece: 1680 Folio: 130 Page Number: 21

Maria Green 47
Jane Green 18

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1680; Folio: 130; Page: 21; GSU roll: 193588.

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 08:20

Thank you for that, I thought that there was another family for a George & Maria, obviously there has to be another family somewhere with these children on it. Could you please see if there is anything for another Henry (James) Green with the above parents.
much appreciated for all of this

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:32

Is this your Henry?
1871 England Census
Henry Green
Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Green
Gender: Male Where born: Crondall, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Crondall Town: Crondall County/Island: Hampshire Country: England
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 72 Piece: 1230 Folio: 43 Page Number: 13

Henry Green 48 coal merchant (could be 43)
Jane Green 49
George Green 14
James Green 11
Mark Green 6

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1230; Folio: 43; Page: 13; GSU roll: 827830.

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:37

1861 England Census
Henry Green
Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Green
Gender: Male Where born: Crondall, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Crondall Ecclesiastical parish: Crondall
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England Occupation: green grocer
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d Household schedule number: 86 Piece: 706 Folio: 130 Page Number: 16

Henry Green 34
Jane Green 38
Alfred Green 8
George Green 5
James Green 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 706; Folio: 130; Page: 16; GSU roll: 542688.

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 08:40

Yes, both of these are the correct ones

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 08:43

1851 England Census
Henry Green
Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Crondall, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Crondall County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Occupation: Ag Lab
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Household schedule number: 61 Piece: 1680 Folio: 20 Page Number: 10

Henry Green 26

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1680; Folio: 20; Page: 10; GSU roll: 193588.

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 08:52

Thanks for all of the census, they agree with what I have for Henry which is great. At least I have something right, It still seems though as if there are two Henry Greens which is complicated their parentage.

patchem

patchem Report 16 May 2011 09:02

I cannot find sign of any other Henry (James) Green in the censuses, if these are all yours.
Just because they were born does not mean that they lived to make the censuses.

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 09:05

Thank you so much for trying, it looks as if I will have to persevere with my contact on Ancestry to see where he has got all of his information from. His does seem correct but somewhere there is a contradiction.
I really appreciate all of your helpl
Julia

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 09:51

Thank you Colin, I was going to check these out, obviously I was not thinking straight earlier on, forgot that they could have possibly died. Have to check out James birth now to see if he was connected to the family. There are two I am now looking for, George who was bap 1839 and Mark bap 1826 though he could have been working in 1841. George I am unsure of as I have a George born 1831 to George & Maria so how come there was another George born 1839???
Julia

juliag

juliag Report 16 May 2011 09:55

Sorry I did not go over the page, you have found everything for me. With regard to the George I was looking for, my baptism was 27 Sep 1839. I think my contact must have got it wrong and meant to put down Edwin as there are only two days the diff, that solves my problem. Thank you for all of the rest, much appreciated.

juliag

juliag Report 17 May 2011 06:03

Thank you Colin, I really appreciate all of your help, between the two of you It seems to have come together. The children definitely belong to the same family and the deaths have proved it. The Edmund I had down was Edwin, names get confused in those days.
I was wondering if it is possible to try and find thd 1861 Census for Maria Green. I have her baptism as 8 Aug 1802 Sherborn St John, Hampshire, 1851 she was living with her daughter Jane in Crondall aged 47. I am trying to find out a possible death and if she is on the census that would really help.
Thank you once again
Julia