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hi janeycanuck i and trieing to find out more about alice howard i am treing to find out more about alice howard and joseph hunter i cant find a married record for them or[ anything on ann and harrison howard any thing you can find would be helpful i have not been on for a few month because of family illness eve

Hi Evelyn

Got only an intermittent broadband access at the moment, so can't join in, but the girls will be back to help you soon, I am sure.

Meg

hi janeycanuck i have not been on this page for 2 months my brother was very ill he was in I.T.C for 6 weeks and we were told things were not looking good for him we were at the hospital day and night for 5 weeks, things are looking better for now so i can get back to looking my inlaws family what is a pilot family i seen this befor but dont know what it means still looking for help eve

By the way, if you do want to ask something else, just add another post to this thread. Both Flick and I will see that there's something new when we click on "My threads" (over on the left side, the fastest way to find any thread you have started or added to).

We're all helpful and kind around here! Don't forget to check names on posts (I know it is confusing at first) -- Flick and I were posting the same things one after each other last night. ;)

I think you could pretty safely tell your husband's auntie that her ancestors were Joseph Hunter and Alice Howard. Or at least tell her that's your best guess for now!

Don't forget to look for other people here at GenesReunited who share ancestors. The "Search Trees" button up top does that.

Two people have Thomas Hunter born 1811/1812 in Horncastle. They might know more about his ancestors.

Someone has two Harrison Howard-s -- one born 1801 in Burgh Le Marsh, one born 1758, no place given. That person also has Alice Howard born 1783 in Burgh Le Marsh.

It's always worth sending a message, just saying you *think* these people may be in your tree, if Alice Howard, for instance, married a James Hunter and had children named so-and-so.

Thank you for the kind words too, and best of luck!

hi janeycanuck

you have been so kind with you time and so helpful, i thank you.,

i find it hard to unertanding record and parish records some neams and places are hard to read

when some one gets marreid or dies in eng you dont get the reason of death or the wife name or the parants neams

in scotland we get cause of death the wife miaden name and the parent neams ,so its easy to trace them and photo copy the fills.

i hope to put all this hunter family to gether on paper for my husbands antie she know nothing about her fathers family in eng.i think she will be pleased
as she inher 80,s

i hope you would not mine if i called on you help agian some time
to trace some of there wifes family if its not to much trouble.

you have been so helpful and kind

eve

So the question is who the parents of Thomas born c1812 were.


The death Flick posted

Deaths Jun 1893
Hunter Thomas Houghton 81 Spilsby 7a 345

certainly seems to be him.


And yes, he matches on all points except exact spelling with

THOS HOULTON HUNTER
Christening: 26 FEB 1812 Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Father: JOSEPH HUNTER
Mother: ALICE
Batch No.: C011912


So we're back where we started. Are that Joseph and Alice the same ones as the parents of Ann and Harrison?

If so, there's an excellent chance that your Alice was Alice Howard, given that the name of the father of Alice Howard was Harrison Howard.

I don't see anything to contradict the conclusion that they're the same Joseph and Alice. The older children were born in one place, the younger in another. Of course it's always possible that Joseph had two wives named Alice ...


There may always be lingering doubts. Back around 1800 and before, there just isn't enough info on most parish records to make firm conclusions. Mother's surname (and sometimes even given name) isn't on baptism records, fathers' names aren't on marriage records. You might end up having to go on surmise ...

1851

Name: Thomas Hunter
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hunter
Where born: Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Spilsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Registration district: Spilsby

Thomas Hunter 39
Ann Hunter 36
Thomas Hunter 16
William Hunter 14
Joseph Hunter 11
John Hunter 8


So now we're up to speed -- we old hands like to see the actual records to confirm, and with all the info like place of birth.

1881

Name: William Hunter
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hunter
Where born: Halton Holegate, Lincoln, England
Occupation: Builder Employing 11 Men And 3 Apprentices

Civil parish: Spilsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Street Address: Halton Rd
Registration district: Spilsby

William Hunter 44 - born Branston, Lincoln
Ann Hunter 45
Fanny A. Hunter 18
Arthur Hunter 12
William J. Hunter 10
Joseph H. Hunter 9
George L. Hunter 5

You are doing it a treat now! in both form and substance. ;)

Let's start with

father: joseph harrison hunter
mother: ada ethel Hunter
joseph harrison born 1872 spilsby


Births Mar 1872 ??
Hunter Joseph Allison Spilsby 7a 575


I checked the image at Ancestry and it does say Allison -- but that could be a mistranscription from earlier, or a mistake on his birth certificate?


Marriages Jun 1898 - I assume?
Hunter Joseph Stamford 7a 786
Martin Ada Ethel Stamford 7a 786


Do you have his birth and marriage certificates to confirm his father's / parents' names?

hi and thank you all again for your help,

sorry i am not very good at using a computer, and its my first time doing something like this.

This family have me confused there is so many joseph hunter's and thomas hunter's i never know if i got the right ones

Maybe if i start with my husbands grandfathers name and work backword and see if any one can help


joseph houghton hunter born stromford 1897 died inverness 1968

siblings: doris edna lovelee hunter

ethel marjure hunter

beatrice evelyn hunter

phyllis anne lovelee hunter

father: joseph harrison hunter
mother: ada ethel Hunter

joseph harrison born 1872 spilsby


the next hunter family - william hunter born 1837 halton holegate
his wife name is ann

there childern: fanny a hunter
arthur h hunter
william j hunter
joseph h hunter born 1872 spilsby
george l hunter


the next hunter family: thomas hunter [ jioner halton holegat]
wifes name is ann
childern : thomas hunter
william hunter
joseph hunter
1851 censes son john hunter
dont know if there was any more childern


thats were i get confused with joseph hunter and his wife alice
i dont know if this two people are thomas father and mother


the next family joseph hunter and wife alice

childern: susanna hunter 1808
mary hunter 1810
thomas hunter 1812
william hunter 1815
joseph hunter 1817


this is were i get confused there so many joseph hunter familys and so many thomas hunter familys

Can any one help please?

again than you so much

i hope i made a freind

eve

Evelyn, is that your Joseph in the 1841 census posted above in the thread?

If not, can you show us where your Joseph is in the 1841 census?

I assume the Joseph and Alice in the 1851 census posted above are your people.

The problem may be that they aren't -- if there are two different families, the Joseph and Alice in the 1841 and 1851 censuses posted above may be the *other* ones. But they may well be the same -- the two children in question were born later than the others, which would make it after the family shifted back again. There would be no reason to think they were necessarily different families.

Can you tell us where the records of the baptisms of the children you posted were found?

Presumably you are descended from one of the children you listed. Can you tell us which one? Is there information about Joseph on that child's marriage certificate? Where did the child marry?

It just strikes me as unlikely that the family would shift to Horncastle for the births of all their children and then back to Croft.

It seems more likely that your Joseph and Alice were deceased by the 1841 census.


Okay, here's the baptism of Thomas for instance.

Name: Thomas Houlton Hunter
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 1812
Baptism/Christening Place: HORNECASTLE, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Joseph Hunter
Mother's Name: Alice
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01191-6
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

And here he is in 1851:

Name: Thomas Hunter
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hunter
Where born: Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England

> Civil parish: Spilsby

Thomas Hunter 39
Ann Hunter 36
Thomas Hunter 16
William Hunter 14
Joseph Hunter 11
John Hunter 8


So I'd say there's just one family, and you just weren't aware of the younger children.


By the way I do agree with Flick, it is very difficult for us to read a post that is all one paragraph and all one sentence.

Can you hit the "enter" key twice after a thought to make some spaces? It makes it so much easier for us.

ih thanks to every one for you help ,i dont think allis and joseph ann and harrison are the same the people as the joseph and alice i am looking for they had 4childern the last one born in1817 joseph in horncastle is it possable there could be two familys with the same names and placeas i cant find ann and harrison as there childern my husbands g.g grandfather had the middle name of joseph harisson hunter could they be the same family the names are all the same going back as far still looking for joseph mother and father i am in the highlands of scotland we fund out a short time ago that my husbands family were from eng i got back as far as joseph and alice and hite a brick wall thany you for you help eve any other help you could give i dont know whereto search

I think that makes it unanimous!

;)

pilot.familysearch has one Alice baptism in Burgh-le-Marsh 1780-1790 -- check the father's name:

Name: Alice Howard
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 May 1783
Baptism/Christening Place: BURGH-LE-MARSH,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
> Father's Name: Harisson Howard
Mother's Name: Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02732-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 421948
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Looks good to me!

I wonder.................................

Name: Alice Howard
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 May 1783
Baptism/Christening Place: BURGH-LE-MARSH,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Harisson Howard
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02732-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 421948
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Is there really such a place as Burgh in Lincolnshire?

Google finds me references to Royal Observer Corps post at Burgh on Bain, but that's all.

Burgh on Bain, Market Rasen, per Google maps.

There is also Burgh Le Marsh, abt 2 miles north of Croft, more likely.

Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Hunter Thomas Houghton 81 Spilsby 7a 345
_______________________________________________

A relation of some sort, I would think........................

Births Jun 1861 (>99%)
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HUNTER Thomas Houghton Lincoln 7a 455

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Hunter Thomas Houghton 14 Spilsby 7a 371

1841

Name: Joseph Hunter
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Croft
Hundred: Candleshoe (Marsh Division)
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: wainfleet all saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 631
Book: 17
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hunter 55 Joiner
Allis Hunter 55
Harrison Hunter 15 App. Joiner
Ann Hunter 15

1851

Name: Joseph Hunter
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Hunter
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Croft, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Croft
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Stickney
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 2109
Folio: 259
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hunter 66 Occ: Joiner (Master)
Alice Hunter 67 born BURGH, Lincs
Elizabeth Hunter 62 Visitor, b. Burgh